Being extremely careful when it comes to adjustment of premium vehicles, we have assessed great amount of stat data and stumbled upon an unfair pricing German tier 8 premium heavy tank - Lowe.
As the data samples from all 3 servers show, the Lowe enjoys better overall combat performance compared to his direct counterpart KV-5 from Soviet tank tree.
To put both tanks on a par, we have decided to raise the price tag to 12.500 gold pieces on July 12, 2011.
Your last chance to grab Lowe at old price is to get hold of weekly special starting July 5 (today).
Goes without saying that all players who already own this piece of German machinery will keep it. So as to make it for all players who intended to buy Lowe we give this weekly notice.
As the data samples from all 3 servers show, the Lowe enjoys better overall combat performance compared to his direct counterpart KV-5 from Soviet tank tree.
To put both tanks on a par, we have decided to raise the price tag to 12.500 gold pieces on July 12, 2011.
Your last chance to grab Lowe at old price is to get hold of weekly special starting July 5 (today).
Goes without saying that all players who already own this piece of German machinery will keep it. So as to make it for all players who intended to buy Lowe we give this weekly notice.
Price raise - nice to have a notice. But can we be sure that you will not nerf that tank in any way somday in the future?
ReplyDeleteIn other words - if I buy Lowe today, can I be sure that it will be exactly the same tank next month or even next year?
Q: Price raise - nice to have a notice. But can we be sure that you will not nerf that tank in any way somday in the future?
ReplyDeleteIn other words - if I buy Lowe today, can I be sure that it will be exactly the same tank next month or even next year?
A: I'm pretty sure there will be no nefrs, especially after this price change.
I assume that they will leave it alone seeing how they are increasing the price instead of nerfing the tank. Thanks much! I already have one so I am not worried about the price increase lol.
ReplyDeleteYou've got to be kiddin' me
ReplyDeleteDepending on the amount of gold you`ve paid, you have to pay at last (!) 25 (in words: twentyfive!) Euro for ONE single virtual tank! If you have a worse gold course you have to pay up to 50(!!!!!!)Euro for ONE tank in the future... Are you megalomaniac?!
ReplyDeletein europe it is more than 43.1€ with the second highest gold/€ rate (with highest it is more than 41.6€)...
ReplyDeleteunbelievable...
Will the ammount of credits you get from selling the Lowe also be increased? Right now I think you can sell the Lowe for around 2,000,000 credits. After the change will you be able to sell the Lowe for around 3,000,000 credits to reflect the higher gold cost of purchasing it?
ReplyDeleteAlso if yes will this be the price for all Lowes or just ones that are purchased after the price update?
Q: Will the ammount of credits you get from selling the Lowe also be increased? Right now I think you can sell the Lowe for around 2,000,000 credits. After the change will you be able to sell the Lowe for around 3,000,000 credits to reflect the higher gold cost of purchasing it?
ReplyDeleteA: Yes, sure.
Q: Also if yes will this be the price for all Lowes or just ones that are purchased after the price update?
A: For all Lowes ofc.
Wise move, you cannot nerf tank without owners rage so you made it harder to buy.
ReplyDeleteI'm getting worried. Game itself isn't yet finished, has lot of flaws, doesn't provide a lot basic stuff that other similar games do (and if so, you have to pay the gold for it). Now, increasing price tag for premium tanks... whats next? I know, you will say its F2P, but it's actually not, you are making F2P form so painful that some minimal gold investment is required. And things like paying 10€ for creating a clan that has minimum in-game support... Simple FPS like BF or COD is much better and cheaper investment than this. Wargaming, you got greedy, thats all.
ReplyDeleteQ: Now, increasing price tag for premium tanks...
ReplyDeleteA: Dont forget that you don't have to buy them. They are optional.
How does increasing the cost of the Lowe decrease its overall combat performance to that of KV-5?
ReplyDeleteI really don't understand why someone would buy this thing for 30€. But now this raise to 50€ seems a bit bizarre.
ReplyDeleteI have a question about the "new premium T34" in future, which gun will the premium t34 have then ? the 105mm from t29 or the 120mm gun ?
ReplyDeleteVery glad to have the week warning about it.
ReplyDeleteWhy this complaining about Free2Play all the time..
ReplyDeleteSee it as this:
If you want a cheaper seat at a fligt you don´t buy First Class, you don´t get all the extra and comfortable perks but for a lower price you maby sit next to a overweight man with a caugh and served bad food.
If you want a Firs Class ticket you get all the comfortable perks.
World Of Tanks Premium = First Class
World OF Tanks Non Premium = Coach
They put alot of time and effort to develop this game and someone has to pay for it.
Be happy to get something for free.
And creating a clan, playing with friends, things that are free in every single other game.
ReplyDeleteImagine that as being on the plane and you want some water to drink or go to toilet. If you don't want to be thirsty or shit and piss your pants... pay or...
and that flight is called ryanair, so now what ? :P
ReplyDeletehellig
Overlord?
ReplyDeleteHas the Lowe's Income, as in Credits and XP Been edited as well?? I'm getting around 700 - 900 on a win in XP where I was getting around 1,200 to 1,500 per win? in XP and over 60K credits now it seems I'm getting below 50K credits on a win as well I understand the Lowes an Amazing Tank but It should be as your putting real money in to a just a tank on a game
Problem is if your upping the price of the Lowe then you should by right give out more credits and XP don't think players will be able to justify 12,500 gold on a tank thats earning lest then a Tiger 2 on credits and XP?
Kind Regards
Rampy
"Imagine that as being on the plane and you want some water to drink or go to toilet. If you don't want to be thirsty or shit and piss your pants... pay or... "
ReplyDeleteExcept that the flight itself is already free...I'm not sure what you're expecting?
HOPE NOONE BUYS
ReplyDelete"How does increasing the cost of the Lowe decrease its overall combat performance to that of KV-5? " And this my man is a very good question. Answer is obvious - it wont! One and only reason to do it is to suck more money from those stupid western rich players. A big minus for you WG, really big, for treating customers like milky cows.
ReplyDeletePpl will buy it now because they know they'd have to pay more if they buy it later.Congratz WG, everyone can go to Hawaii for holiday.
ReplyDeleteLove the game, but you need to be careful about doing stuff like this. ***This just stinks of greed.*** Instead of nerfing the Lowe like you should since it's OP for a tier 8, you increase the price. Not cool at all. I suspect if you do this too often people might quit in disgust.
ReplyDeleteJust my thoughts, I know you are getting a lot of flak, but I think it's legitimate.
Well I think this change is to discourage buying the thing except to those who REALLY want it, as opposed to nerfing it.
ReplyDeleteOn the US server, I can't play a single T6+ game without encountering multiple (2 or more) Lowes on both teams. Since the tank is so good, american wallet warriors are EVERYWHERE. It is kinda frustrating to see THIS many all over the place. Premium is the new standard. Hopefully this new pricing will help reduce the majority of players from just buying the win wagon
Why not just buff the KV-5 and M6A guns? I know you buffed the credits on the M6A, but they are still way underpowered compared to the Lowe.
ReplyDelete"Instead of nerfing the Lowe like you should since it's OP for a tier 8, you increase the price. Not cool at all."
ReplyDeleteLol wut?!? First, how tank with armor protection from tier 7 and gun slightly better than tier 8 (7 yes! 7 mm of average penetration and 0,1 accuraccy better than in Konig Tiger) could be OP? I don't get it. And second, nerf of Lowe would start a rage of owners, i suppoose that WG want to avoid that.
lol for that much money you have to boost the tank like armor or somehting
ReplyDeletenow that just is greed i have a lowe and love it but, its not worth that much money, people will not buy it at that amount that just asking for it
ReplyDeletethat price i can get a year sub account on a other mmo seriously
if ya want to sell it at that price ya gotta make it more stronger like more armor, bounce or something
yes, even i have lowe but i wouldn't buy it for that much... it is not that good and that profitable... they are greedy, nothing else... truth is, why 9€ for simple creating a clan... game is not finished but things that are in other games for free are only for gold or premium users... its as much money as monthly WoW fee... that game deserves it, this game is becoming milking cow... unfinished milking cow...
ReplyDeleteGood solution. The tank is good, but not great. This will bring the RoI more in line with other premiums and mean less games with 5-6 Lowest on a side. At current pricing, it is a bargain.
ReplyDeleteSimple supply & demand economics. Smart move, Wargaming.
ReplyDeleteThis keeps Lowes from flooding the servers, increases profits per sale, and boosts competing products (KV-5 & other premiums).
...And all without a "nerf" that would decrease the quality of the product and upset customers.
Nice work!
Why wouldn't you just make the KV5 cheaper to buy? Its got a lower tier gun anyways. That or give the KV5 a 122 instead of the 107 to make it more appealing to buy. The only reason the Lowe would have better stats than the KV5 is because more people bought them due to having a gun that can actually function at tier 8+.
ReplyDeleteI can guarantee that this will only turn players off from playing the game and or buying the lowe and no one will buy the KV5 still. To buy the to buy the lowe it will cost around 50 dollars USD, for that price someone might instead buy an entirely new game that is coming out... such as Battlefield 3 or Red Orchestra. As a business decision this is a very poor move, the Profits won't show and the gameplay won't change for the players. You would have better luck making money from this game if the patches were released faster and making tanks like the KV5 better in their respective flaws.
so - since the t34 premium was planed as comparable to the other t8's löwe and kv5, and you now "found out" that those two are not balanced - what will the t34 be?
ReplyDeletea real t8 premium like the kv5? or a premium deluxe t8.5 like the löwe?
Hey, it's still better than 80€ monocle:D
ReplyDeleteI think it's really hilarious how everyone is complaining about 'Hurrrr I aint gonna buy the Lowe! THAT'S WAY TOO EXPENSIVE!'
ReplyDeleteWell no duh! That's the point! There are already too many. Next time youre in a T5-6+ battle, keep a count of how many you see. The NA server is more or less flooded with the things. Come on now guys. Don't quit playing because the pwnmobile is now priced accordingly.
So about $60 for a tank that is awesome when can we see the next beast to come out as a premium need another credit monster like the lowe but something like an arty now that would be awesome
ReplyDeleteJust putting this out there overlord but i would of thought that it would of made much more sense to drop the price of the KV-5 and dropped its tier to 7. Of course you would of had to have given refunds (there is something in the order 5 lowes to each KV-5 bought).
ReplyDeleteJust shows that firepower is the most important stat in this game since its the only thing the lowe does well at and what the KV-5 sucks at.
Please use this as a lesson for all future premium tanks. You need the money, well players need tanks with decent guns unlike the A32, pz4-5, M4E4 etc actually has.
Premium < than tech tree tank is fine, just not in firepower!
I've read the comments with interest. Clearly some see this as a fair move, others do not. To tell you the truth I am totally against tier eight premium tanks. New players (from whatever region of the world they come) buy their way into a tier eight instead of working for it.
ReplyDeleteI do not have a Lowe. I have a Tiger II (Tier eight). Took me a long time to get it and then upgrade it. It's comparible to the Lowe in every respect except that a Lowe make a lot more credits per game. Some Noob to the game buys his Lowe with his mom's credit card and bam .. he's at the same level it took me a couple of months to reach.
People that are complaining that the price of 12,500 gold is too high. Don't buy the tank then. No one is twisting your arm. There's too many Lowes in the game now. If you already have the Lowe, well, it was pretty decent of WoT to not nerf it to make it more in line with other premiums at the same level.
And it was damn decent of WoT to give everyone notice that the price is increasing ... giving you wallet warriors a chance to get a tier eight tank at the old price. Not many business's would do that.
Upgrading the stats on the Lowe to provide more "bounce", thicker armor, etc, etc? I am totally against that. Now people would be buying their way into a tier IX tank. The Lowe is what it is. You bought it for what it is. Stop asking for more and more.
The Lowe has nothing to do with the KV5. So why should WoT upgrade the KV5 just to make your Russian Tech Tree wallet warriors happy? You bought what you bought and got what you got. WoT owes you nothing ... zero .... zip ... nada.
If you're going to whine, be sure you serve some cheese along with it.
PS. I am an American and I really resent comments such as "One and only reason to do it is to suck more money from those stupid western rich players". You're not even using correct English. There are plenty of stupid European and Eastern Region players participating in this game as well. I've come across several. And we are not all millionaires in the United States either. If you point a finger at someone, three other fingers point back to you. Go get a life, will ya!!
I call this BS!
ReplyDeleteIn supertest 10k gold, it was too weak to other tier 8 so went down to 7,5k.
Now to 12.5k... ok ok...
The anniversary of Battle of Prokhorovka is coming up, any chance we'll see a short-term discount on the KV-5? I would definitely buy one for 5000 gold and I think many other players would too.
ReplyDeleteArty like lowe?! So like an objekt 202 instead of a wespe in a tier7 max battle? So it can one shot 3 enemies at a time... Or a "Kondensator" 400mm megacannon instead of a tier8 arty?! Go scr*w yourself and keep playing those cancerous ion cannons, the middle finger god...
ReplyDeleteKeep the lowe as it is, i like it. they are my bread and butter tanks, can pen them even with 76mm wolverine all day long, nevermind the bigger guns.. More than once ive killed 3 out of the 4 lowes i often encounter in matches. Couple times i've broken 2k xp just solely by poking holes in those slow, ugly paper lions. Keep'em coming... More ritalin poppin tweenies get their mommies to buy them a shiny new lowes the better. XD
But this is prob just a scam to squeeze the people on the fence to finally buying the darn thing before the saturated market finally realizes that matches consisting 80% lowes aren't all that fun or easy to play and earn... Hard to be op if everyone has the same tank.
Oh and to the guy who was asking if lowe's earning bonus got tweaked: L2P
Quote: "If anyone reads this..."
ReplyDeleteIf anyone is reading Overlord's blog then they probably have played the game enough to draw their own conclusions about the matchmaking.
This is probably the worse move ever. No logical player will pay $50 USD for the Lowe which more than likely you are just using for convertible Exp (which cost $$$) and credits. If it cost that much at least make the exp you get on it automatically convert to free Exp. OR just add a bigger gun to the KV5.
ReplyDeleteT-54 Check
ReplyDeleteIS-7 Check
IS-4 Check
T95 Check
No more need for gold? Check
No more need for premium? Check
Laughing all the way to the bank? Check
Priceless
Nice money grab, people would use the KV5 if it wasnt a piece of crap. As this has been said before, Balancing of stats = FAIL.
ReplyDeleteMy 1 gripe with the Lowe is that theres no other option for credit grinding, its just flat out the best. This really causes a major imbalance in the matchmaker. Any chance we'll see some lower tier premiums with similar credit earning potential released? (to help spread people across tiers)
ReplyDeleteFor the record, I consider this solution to the Lowe to be the "best" option available, its not ideal, but no solution can be in practice. The advanced notice is appreciated.
I can't help but wonder how this would have gone down if it was the KV-5 that was over-performing compared to the Lowe.
ReplyDeleteI own the Löwe from the day it came out. I also have a Tiger II and it performs better than the Löwe. Löwe's gun might be slightly better but the faster turret of the Tiger II beats it many times.
ReplyDeleteI have seen the Löwe flooding the battlefield in the past weeks, too. This flood is not a result of the Löwe being OP but more and more players are getting Tier 8 and higher tanks. So more people losing Credits when playinghigh tier tanks. Word spreaded that instead of buying premium every month it's enough to buy a Löwe to farm credits.
Why they didn't buy a KV5?
Number one reason: It's ugly
Number two reason: It's ugly
Number three reason: It's ugly
Number four reason: It doesn't have an OP gun like KV has
Decent players perform very good with a KV 5 as it has very good armor but that doesn't suit most players. When it comes to direct comparison the see the Löwe and never ever think about buying that ugly thing...
Same "reason" this car wasn't bought by many:
http://das-autos.eu/images/f1/big3281.jpg
Did you consider lowering KV-5 price tag instead?
ReplyDeleteIf they change the Löwe, they risk a lawsuit, since ppl has bought it, with the current stats, as is, with real money. The outcome of such a lawsuit is probebly uncertain and I doubt they want the bad publicity it gives.
ReplyDelete"If they change the Löwe, they risk a lawsuit, since ppl has bought it, with the current stats, as is, with real money."
ReplyDeleteNever read the Terms of Agreement, huh? :)
I thought so Mr "Ppl". I'm amazed you haven't wrote "u" or "lol" in that sentence as well while stating your bogus :)
I think the price adjustment is okay.
Sure, people buying the Löwe in the future will have less of an advantage when it comes to the price of gold, but as others already stated: It's beeing bought like crazy.
"T-54 Check
ReplyDeleteIS-7 Check
IS-4 Check
T95 Check"
Not Object? Strange...
"Löwe's gun might be slightly better but the faster turret of the Tiger II beats it many times."
Agree, even a KOnig Tiger with 8,8 and second turret is better than Lowe, with that configuration (ammo for long 10,5 is to expensive so I'm still using 8,8) I beat Lowes many times in one on one melees loosing only with bad luck (fire, ammorack, destroyed gun, wounded loader).
It is a shame the Lowe flooded the game, a case of poor balancing/testing/game design.
ReplyDeleteThey are going to make it almost 2 times more expensive, yet they are making special offer of it ^^
ReplyDeleteWhat a lol! Got capitalism? :D
ReplyDeleteHey, do you guys really balance, or like this "change price", based on victory statistic?
ReplyDeleteMakes seance to me the Lowe is a better tank than the KV5, and is worth the price as the tank pays you back for buying it ^^ people should be happy that they are keeping it at the lowe price for now :P
ReplyDeleteAOD_VIPER262
So the developers admit Lowe > KV5
ReplyDeleteKinda harsh on those who bought the KV5...
When they bought it the tank...
cost the same as the Lowe
was in the same tier as the Lowe
and so would have the same performance as the Lowe
with the price rise, the developers are admitting the Lowe is overpowered, puts their balancing to shame, and leaves a bad taste in the mouth of all those who bought the KV5 on good faith
The change tries to fix one problem; the Lowe is too popular, but its too late, there are thousands of them in people's garages now, and they are not going to abandon a tank that wins battles, makes cash, and seen as 'overpowered' for a premium.
This leaves balancing and fairness issues in a mess.
"with the price rise, the developers are admitting the Lowe is overpowered, puts their balancing to shame, and leaves a bad taste in the mouth of all those who bought the KV5 on good faith"
ReplyDeleteHeh I remember that all whining and complaining before patch 6.4, that KW-5 is a real monster and Lowe is underpowered (precisely: underarmored)comparing to it. Now community says that Lowe is overpowered, wow. Truth is that everybody in the game learn where to aim - frontal MG turrets - to kill that beast.
Lowe is probably the most favourite premium tank. I dont think this is a good move...also, askin 40-50 euro for a single tank is absolutely insane
ReplyDeletePeople will still pay for the lowe.
ReplyDeleteI have no problem with them increasing the price. I think they should also be bumping it up to a teir nine. Keep it away from those little tanks.
My favorate prem is the ram II - great fun, but a lowe, nah. Seems to generate pretty boring games with 6+ of them present - good call on raising the price. - theghostcat
WoT has turned into Game of Lowes
ReplyDelete"WoT has turned into Game of Lowes"
ReplyDeleteSo it seems to be the right decision to raise the price, doesn't it?
Why is every comment tree here full of whiners, independent of the topic discussed?
You don't like the Löwe? -> Don't buy it!
You think, it is unfair that they are raising the price? -> Buy it now!
You would never under any circumstances spend (that much) money for a virtual tank? -> Congratulations... Don't buy it and stop complaining.
You think, WoT is flooded with Löwe? -> The tank becomes more expensive. Less people would buy it. Goal reached!
In my opinion, I would not pay that much money for a virtual tank. If people do, leave them their toy. Where is the problem?
I also think, Löwe is not overpowered at all. It is not that heavily armored, it is slow and the turret turns also quite slow. Don't fight him frontal if you don't have the tank that can take the shots of the Löwe gun. Indeed, most of the games I met Löwe his power was compensated by those players, who buy into Tier VIII and think, they are invulnerable now and play the Löwe like that.
Stop whining, it is just a game, guys.
Overlord, one question - is price increased on all servers, US, EU and RU?
ReplyDelete@Overlord
ReplyDeleteJust curious - can you publish numbers of sold premium tanks? These shouldn't be secret as you could get them by parsing all userpages. Would be a nice thingt to get some stats.
Q: Overlord, one question - is price increased on all servers, US, EU and RU?
ReplyDeleteA: Price for all servers are meant to be equal.
Q: @Overlord
ReplyDeleteJust curious - can you publish numbers of sold premium tanks? These shouldn't be secret as you could get them by parsing all userpages. Would be a nice thingt to get some stats.
A: Obviosuly, I cant.
I have a question about the "new premium T34" in future, which gun will the premium t34 have then ? the 105mm from t29 or the 120mm gun ?
ReplyDeleteIf they'll give it 105 it wont be T34 anymore, real T34 had 120mm and thats it, game over.
ReplyDelete"Price for all servers are meant to be equal."
ReplyDeleteWhy cant I see such news on worldotanks.ru then?
have had this game for 2 months on a premium account. grinded my way to the panther II with no premium tank. it was a GRIND, but it is possible. wanted to start on the german heavies and to make the grind a little easier, was considering purchasing a lowe. i was "on the bubble" as money is tight at the moment, and now this price increase guarantees i will not be able to purchase it. :-(
ReplyDeleteHypnotoadProductions said...
ReplyDelete"Never read the Terms of Agreement, huh? :)
I thought so Mr "Ppl". I'm amazed you haven't wrote "u" or "lol" in that sentence as well while stating your bogus :)"
Actually I have read the EULA, but could you please point out to me which paragraph in it claims they have the right to change it? Only thing I can find remotly close to it, is any kind of damage which it can cause.
And Martin please, could you please stop to try to offend people, who you never meet and therefor have no idea who are?
@The Bishop "wanted to start on the german heavies and to make the grind a little easier, was considering purchasing a lowe. i was "on the bubble" as money is tight at the moment, and now this price increase guarantees i will not be able to purchase it"
ReplyDeleteDon't worry, Konig Tigers earns credits (in my best battle in it - 60k credits) but it is doing so only with 8,8L70 - with 10,5 guns it is ruining your economy.
Please try to be more transparent selling company: show all details (like credit factor also of Premium Tanks)
ReplyDeleteYou are joking with the real money of the players: becareful !!!
Remembers: your real personal salaray is paid by us !!!
Proud Lowe owner here. just wanted to say we do flood the servers but not all of us have to use mommys credic card. i work my butt off for my money and i spend it how i please. the cost increase of the Lowe is a smart one as they see it is a more popular choice than the KV-5. If you study both tanks stats then you buy one or the other. i went for less armor and speed for the highter penny and hit power. Just for the record i do own other high tier tanks and not just buy my way to the top. i am also in a clan and was a Beta tester for the game. it might stop the flood of the Lowes but the Kv-5 will not see an increase in purchases due to its gun, on this i can agree. i dont claim to be the best and as i do die in alot of games...yes even in the Lowe. In-game name is Yetibob, if you want to yell at me for my comments then you might as well do it in game. see you on the field
ReplyDeletethe lowe has a weak spot just like the kv-5. its in the front. a big rectangular flat area between the tracks. aim there and you can 2 shot a lowe just like you can 2 shot a kv-5 in the R2-D2. stop crying, learn to play.
ReplyDeleteI whant to know why they nerfed the credit income of lowe? I have premium and never Make more then 70k. And usualy Make only 30k. Y buit whith 12500 gold and y whant to Make credit for 12500 not for less. Y read that before 0.6.5 the lowe was making 90-120k. Y whant that back or my money back
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