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Monday, September 19, 2011

Updated Match-making Chart

Updated the match-making chart for 6.7 update. Mind new tier spreads for light tanks and some premiums.


Anticipating your questions on match-making improvements, I remind you that overhaul is scheduled for Q1 2012, as it was given here.

130 comments:

  1. Great! Thanks for info :)

    Q: what the exact status of the French tank?
    You think we will see them in october/november?
    And a video of them?

    thanks
    Yams42000

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  2. Maybe I cant read it properly but i think you messed something up Overlord... Why there is 13 tiers? And for example according to this chart tier 5 heavy tanks tier spread is 6-10

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  3. @ anon above:
    There is a difference between tank tier (left side of chart) and battle tier (top side of chart).

    @ Overlord:
    Are the missing premium tanks not listed in the chart on purpose? If so, why?

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  4. Q: what the exact status of the French tank?
    You think we will see them in october/november?
    And a video of them?

    A: In November most likely.

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  5. Q: Are the missing premium tanks not listed in the chart on purpose? If so, why?

    A: Some premiums have the same spread equal tier regular tanks have. So no need to list them separately.

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  6. If we can see no more Bison or Leich VS KV or IS.....that's the essential, because it's very frustrating to start a match with the certitude to be so little, that you can't do nothing, just waiting the One Shot.

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  7. You say 'some' thats not all so what tanks have the same spread and what tanks dont or are WOT keeping something hidden and they dont want us to know about it.

    Q: Are the missing premium tanks not listed in the chart on purpose? If so, why?

    A: Some premiums have the same spread equal tier regular tanks have. So no need to list them separately.

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  8. A: In November most likely.

    Q: And a video? this week i hope :)

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  9. The numbers along the top are just a way of naming a battle "level". If the MM puts together a "Level 13" battle, it would include Tier 5, 6, 7 Lights, Tier 9 Mediums, Heavies and TDs, and Tier 8 SPGs. If the battle was a "Level 2" battle, it would include Tier 1 and 2 Lights, and Tier 2 Mediums. Tier 1 tanks will not be put in matches above "Level 2". Tier 2 Lights will not be put in matches above "Level 3" etc. If you read the chart properly, a Tier 5 Heavy will never be put in a match with a Tier 10 Heavy tank. It will only be put in matches up to "Level 10", and Tier 10 Heavies are only eligible for "Level 11-13" matches.

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  10. I assume though that Platoons will continue to confuse the MM and result in messed up matches, or are there plans to restrict Platoons to only those that would meet the MM chart's requirements?

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  11. Replying to Anonymous: "You say 'some' thats not all so what tanks have the same spread and what tanks dont or are WOT keeping something hidden and they dont want us to know about it."

    ... The ones not listed specifically follow the normal rules. The ones listed specifically are the exceptions. Deductive reasoning. Use it.

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  12. Q: I assume though that Platoons will continue to confuse the MM and result in messed up matches, or are there plans to restrict Platoons to only those that would meet the MM chart's requirements?

    A: If tier 10 tank platoons with low tiers, the opposing team gets either the respective/similar platoon or has more vehicles of the lowest tier possible for that particular battle.

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  13. Thank you for your quick answer overlord. Makes sense now.

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    You say 'some' thats not all so what tanks have the same spread and what tanks dont or are WOT keeping something hidden and they dont want us to know about it.
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    No that means for instance the minimaus (T2 light) has the same spread as every other T2 light. If the spread is different then their tier and class then they are seperately listed for instance T5 heavy Churchill.

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  14. Why don't you let the matchmaking value of a tank depend on its equipment? I mean, most players have problems playing a stock tank in high tier battles. This is anything else but fun.

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  15. "a Tier 5 Heavy will never be put in a match with a Tier 10 Heavy tank"

    From what I've experienced (so did my partners) this is inaccurate. With my KV, 4 times out of 6 I face T10 tanks.

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  16. I meant "4 time out of 10". Sorry. :)

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  17. Q: From what I've experienced (so did my partners) this is inaccurate. With my KV, 4 times out of 6 I face T10 tanks.

    A: it's not possible, unless you are in platoon.

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  18. Yeah, KV vs tier X should not be possible but why tier 5 heavy tanks like KV have to (matchmaker allows that) fight with tier 8 and 9 tanks to begin with?

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  19. canihasgold?... lol ;)
    jkjk but keep up the good work.
    cant wait for physics

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  20. Is there any problem with the WOT server? Recently i have noticed that the ping (mainly FPS) are getting a little crazy around (im getting FPS of......8) since this 6.7 patch.

    I also saw that some people are experiencing the same problem that i have.

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  21. there say USA:Churchill isnt that a rusian (Of british make?)

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  22. BTW. Tier 7 light? i never seen that one,

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  23. Working as intended I see.

    I stopped playing KV, Pz4, IS and SPGs and play now only tier 1, it's the only tier worth playing and where you can have actually fun and there are no SPGs or TDs.
    Tier 2 sucks when you are in a T3 game, everything will bounce from a T3 tank + SPGs and TDs, no thanks WG.

    Fighting Lowe with a Pz4 is not fun. Even with IS it's a big problem to fight tanks 1 tier higher. And I don't want to see premium players with Lowe or KV5 playing as if they are in a loltraktor.
    See you guy there where the game is actually good, at tier 1.

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  24. Churchill is Soviet of course. My bad..

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  25. pffff retard wargaming......

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  26. It seems that new Premium Type 59 will never encounter anything above tier IX. Nice.

    Overall, many premiums gain much from matchmaking. I seem to crush enemies with Pz 38H and Pz B2.

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  27. Less charts more US heavies! >:(!

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  28. Thanks for revealing these information. They are coming in handy.

    As for the KV fighting higher tiers: It can perform very well there. I have it with the 107mm gun and shot down a Tiger II to 41% with it in a dircet duell. The KV can damage any tank on the field even in a frontal encounter (Maus and e100 would be the only exceptions I can come up with). If you think that the KV is poor at this give the PZIV a try.

    @ico: You obviously lack some game experience. I am a non premium player also and have a GW Tiger, Jagdpanzer IV, KV, KV3 and Wolverine in my garage and am currently saving up the cash for the vk4502 ausf A. If you think that tank destroyers and self propelled guns are ruining the game then you clearly haven't played those yourself. I like arty and think that every match should have some (max of 3 per team), for they can help a team win that has far weaker tanks and tds. Also you need to know where to shoot. Look up armor values and weak spots. With my Tiger II (697 battles played) the only tank that I couldn't fight properly was Maus (you need to have a perfect angle there). Give it a try and try to understand which tank has which role in the field. Your PZIV is a sniper that absolutely should NOT go toe to toe against a Lowe.

    "Why don't you let the matchmaking value of a tank depend on its equipment?"

    I second that! I have more than once seen IS4s with the regular IS stock gun (!!!!). This completely ruins the value of the tank if fighting a fully equipped tier 9 on the enemy team. Please try to adress this somehow.

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  29. Dear overlord, I would like to ask you about the US Locust tank as I can't find it on the chart. Is it treated like a standard tier3 light?

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  30. (darn thing ate my comment...)

    overlord, would it be possible to get the medium tank lines changed to a higher contrast color? it's essentially invisible for me, and (presumably) many other colorblind players.

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  31. Am I reading this the wrong way?
    Is the Lowe now tier 7 in terms of matchmaking and doesn't even get into the maximum games that tier 7 gets in?

    Greetings
    Snortsch

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  32. I just saw, that I was looking at the wrong tier. How did the Lowe change in comparison?

    Snortsch

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  33. @Overlord "Some premiums have the same spread equal tier regular tanks have. So no need to list them separately."

    But some premiums are badly undergunned - T15 shouldn't fight with KV's and all that T5 stuff, same as Ram II which shouldn't fight with Lowe's. Are you planning to improve it and drop one battle tier from that tanks? We didn't paid for frustrating dings on everything on battlefield.

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  34. Even my Hetzer gets pulled into stupid matches. If I get online in the evening then at least half the matches I go into I can barely damage any of the enemy vehicles, a Tank Destroyer without the gun to destroy tanks is useless!! So for those fights I just annoy the piss out of the enemy until one of my allies comes up with a good gun to take 'em out. I would like to see the TDs get adjusted more. The Marder 2 usually doesnt have an issue though.

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  35. @plasot "We didn't paid for frustrating dings on everything on battlefield."

    Hmm it sounded too rude, sorry. Point is that some tanks are strongly undergunned even for their tier, like T15 or Ram2 or Valentine and putting them into same tiers spread as normal tanks is frustrating for the owners who paid (little but still) some money for good fun.

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  36. Still much to big Tier spread in some battles, see for instance T10 battles, you actually can face tanks 5tiers higher than you, thats frustrating. Can't you just cut down the tier spread per battle, 3 tiers like in the beginning is fine.

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  37. I really liked this game, but I moved up to Tier 4 over the weekend and its hopeless. All to often I am the sole light tank in a sea of heavies. Best i can do is run and hide. This game is great at the lower levels as the matches are fair, but as you progress you find you become cannon fodder and the matches are really unfair.

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  38. I dont have many issues with the match making and it is generally good.

    My only issue is with Arty, please limit this to 2 per side per battle and also give us a NO arty option in battle for all those who hate them ;)

    Cheers

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  39. i would like to say i am all open to the beta test of the 7.0. and when will you guys open the doors to the public to test it out ?????. and all the hear say on the game match making. is bull. give these guys time to work out bugs they cant work them out over night it takes time. now you keep complaining like this and they might as well make it a pay to play type of game. so sit back watch comment very little about unfair battles. and play the dang game. yes tell them if there is a problem. that they have over looked. but the rest of the time let them work on all the bugs that are still out there.

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  40. Could you please change the medium tank color in the chart? It is impossible for colorblind people such as me to see how they are stacked in the there.

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  41. I am also having major FPS issues since and ONLY since 6.7 came out. My FPS will plummet to single digits for 10-20 seconds then bounce back up to 50-70. It has nothing to do with the hardware on my machine, it vastly exceeds the requirements of this game. I have update, then and back tracked to every video driver I thought might help with no change. Several clan mates are having this same issues and we are getting ignored on the forums by the mods.

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  42. Q: Will ther be any improvement in the tankclass mix?

    If further explaination is needed. I am talking about matches where on seide got the majority of heavy tanks and the other side let's say mass tank destroyers. There sould be a way to even out the setup so both teams got nearly the same amount of of each class per tier.

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  43. Thanks for the info, especially how platoons are handled by MM. As a fairly new player, (T6), I have a good number of rl friends who are now working up through the ranks. It seems that T4 is the bug hump of the learning curve. (A fairly hellish hump to be honest.)
    Because of the larger numbers of T5-7 players, most T4 vehicle matches seem to be T 7 and 8 battles. This seems to cause a lot of frustration in newer players who lack the skills, tactics and vehicle upgrades to feel competive. And because the damage of most higher tier tanks can obliterate T4 tanks handily, the life of a rookie T4 tanker is often short, leading to very low exp gains.

    Since the new T4 (and 5) light tanks seem to be designed for scouting high tier matches, perhaps a solution would be to somehow increase the exp, or credit rewards for T4s damaging higher tier tanks.
    This would lead to more players playing T4 vehicles as money makers, (rather than T 5-6), creating a greater population of T4 vehicles, leading to more T4-6 matches where T4 tanks can shine, and be more effective.

    Thanks for listening, keep up the great work. WoT is fantastic , and you all deserve kudos for producing a highly entertaining game.

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  44. Dear Overlord,

    I have asked this in the past and you have answered many times and I thank you very much but, Information you have posted is leading me to believe different. Is the M103 still have a good possibility to come out in Q4 2011?

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  45. I think tier spread is still big. Facing tier 7 heavies in a PzIII isn't very nice. Tiger and PzIII fought side-by-side IRL, but that time, PzIIIn with 75mm L/24 was reclassified as a close-support tank in an anti-personal role. Not for engaging other tanks. Or is it classified as a "scout" in high tier battles?

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  46. "Less charts more US heavies! >:(! "

    pretty sure that Overlord does not work on the tanks of the game, so what you are doing is basically like telling a computer technician: "stop fixing computers so much and fix my plumbing!"

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  47. Overlord,

    Please introduce the M103 in the next patch, please do something useful.

    thanks

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  49. Mhhmmmm.... Maybe I'm reading the chart wrongfully, but.... I see a tier4 LIGHT can get matched againt tier9 Heavy and TD... and for what Overlord said on the WoT US forum, "Tier spread is not goign to be touched..."
    http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/48174-narrowing-tier-spreads-is-perhaps-the-only-issue-we-are-not-going-to-address/

    so.... instead of making it small tier spread it is kind the opposite.... Interesting.

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  50. When will MM be fixed for medium tanks? Even in this diagram, tier 9 mediums are punished more than tier 9 heavys and tank destroyers, and if anything it should be the other way around.

    MM needs fixing so that it stops equating t9 meds to t9 heavys / TDs - they're not the same.

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  51. If you play a Medium like a Heavy or TD they might be weaker that's right, but learning how to play different clases is a players job, not a balancing problem.

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  52. The only issue I really have with MM is I've seen 6 TD's on one side and none on the other, I've seen 8 Mediums on one side and not a single one on the other and so forth. MM needs to not only check weight, it needs to check tank classes more closely. There is no reason to have 6 TD's or Mediums on one side and none on the other, why not even it out as much as possible.

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  53. no no no no and noooooo....still not good MM chart....high tiers heavys are spaming in too much lover tiers...not fair

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  54. Dear Overlord, what is the status of the 2-guns-1-tank system? Will the french have it, or will the poor B1 be crippled?

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  55. "Anonymous said...
    If you play a Medium like a Heavy or TD they might be weaker that's right, but learning how to play different clases is a players job, not a balancing problem."

    The point of the story is: trololol

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  56. Overlord, I had many times matches in which i fought in KV against tier X, and I never play in platoon. I also remember fighting in my Maus against KV's 1 and 2.

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  57. Something is wrong with that chart. It shows that tier 3 light and medium tanks can extend into tier 6 matches, which NEVER happens. Its been like that since the last patch too, and it simply does not ever happen. Am I just mis-interpreting the chart?

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  59. KV220 fits in where?

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  60. So you lowered the matchmaking of the churchuil to the same tiers as the t14, which is great! no more t8 heavies while driving churchill! :)

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  61. Q: What is with Multiturrets and Multiguns? Come that feautures with the first Frenchtanks?

    (M3 Lee, Maus, B1, T35, SMK and other tanks have more than 1 Gun/Turret)

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  62. theres is a difference between asking something and QQ whining

    btw nice to know the mm chart

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  63. "Why don't you let the matchmaking value of a tank depend on its equipment? I mean, most players have problems playing a stock tank in high tier battles. This is anything else but fun."

    This one's pretty easy. They want you to get frustrated and spend gold on converting free experience. I've seen plenty of people who have never converted experience start doing so once they hit tier 8-ish. Dev's gotta eat / fund 2 more games.

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  64. Lol, there are such charts for ages and there are still people who can't read them....

    There is difference between BATTLE Tier and VEHICLE Tier !!!!!!

    There are 13 (!!!!) BATTLE Tiers and only 10 VEHICLE Tiers!

    Tier 3 meds/lights can fight in a BATTLE Tier 6, which means that the strongest tanks they can face are only VEHICLE Tier 5 Heavies, Meds and TDs!

    Cheers, m4st3r

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  65. why will AMX-13 have harder matchmaking than Bat. Chatillon 25t? Does it mean tier 8 tank in french medium three will be worse than tier 7?

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  66. Overlord, Is there any weight values assigned to each battle group or is there equal chance for e.g a tier5 heavy to end up in battle group 6 as 10.

    If not, then IMO the spread is to much for tier 5-7 heavy's.
    Ether it should be reduced by one (e.g tier5 BG 6-9 instead of 6-10) or weight values should be assigned.

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  67. So the overhaul is of the battle tiers tanks are in? But what about the changes that have happened in current tanks battle tiers (http://bit.ly/oIf23L)? But the tier 4 lights are still up against tier 9 heavies.

    Or is the overhaul about the MM mechanism?

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  68. i truely think the matchmakin system is broke, sorry.
    i think a simple system of u can play one tier up, equal , an one tier down from you, and of course arty will need to get a tier penalty. This is fairer and funner; esp for low tier players. no kv or pz4 wants to face my jagtiger, and to be honest i don't want to waste the bullet. MM is the reason i don't like playing my low tier tanks.

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  69. My only major complaint is that there can be too many arty in battle. Please restrict it to max 3 arty per side.

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  70. where is old match-making chart? to Compare

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  71. guys just forget about high tiers and play tier 1, it's best balanced and most fun
    let premium players struggle in unbalanced high tier battles working as intended

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  72. Q: after looking at the chart is there a chance that this will also help balance arty in match ups?

    If not i was thinking it be great if arty had some kind of point value and tier matches allowed a set amount of arty for that match.

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  73. Can we get updated stats as seen in this thread:

    http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/49451-unofficial-na-server-statistics/

    Having that available helps match-maker discussions.

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  74. Why does the Tier 8 medium Type 59 only have a MM level 9 and 10, and other tier 8 mediums have a MM level of 9, 10, and 11?

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  75. Because they need to maximize the probability of low-tier tanks of seeing nothing but premium tier 8's.

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  76. All premium tanks never end up in tier 10 battles (i only saw once a lowe without platoon in a t10 battle)becuz their guns arent just good enough for tier 10 so they put them in max tier 9 so they can shoot nearly everything (lowe) or bounce nearly everything (kv5) and give OP credits to their owners.
    Funny thing is before devs were saying that ur not supposed to play high tier tanks even with premium withoit decent skill to keep them up true a good player can play tier 9 even 10 without premium and dont lose momey (not always ofc) and a shitty premium player will lose money but now you have tier 8 premiums that change that thing totally now every noob that would have to LEARN how to play in order to make money with his tank can buy a bullshit premium tank rush in like a moron die without firing 1 shell or just HE only and still make money (thats usually kv5 play style i see lol)
    Another problem is ppl that play tier 2-3 tanks and have NO IDEA about this game get tier 8 premium tanks and totally F*** UP high tier battles becuz basically you have 1 less tier 8 tnak on ur side. Personally i prefer to get even ultra stock is3/kt player but he earned his way to tier 8 so he knows the maps at least and knows what to do and what is totally retarded than a lowe/kv5 that drives out in the middle (as if he is playing his T2-T3 light/med tank) dies and then QQs more "but how did i die?" "how can he spot me here lol?"

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  77. This is why I like Tier III most. You never look at the teams and go *gulp*. Plus, the =>75mm guns oneshot the tanks you meet.

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  78. I dont really see any changes in the system. tier 4 can still play tier 7 that it cant really hurt. Tier 4 lights still have to scout even if they are trying to just get through the trees because they are still in bracket with tier 8. Tier 5 can still fight tier 8 which it can barely effect. Same for 6 with 9, but it cant face tier 9 mediums with much worse armor. And offcourse tier 7 can still face tier 10 which it cant do anything too at all. Those are the complaints about the matchmaker, being able to go 3 tiers up. Its too much. I would rather wait an extra 30 seconds to get into a game that is more balanced.

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  79. Nothing wrong with premium T8s, if people would just learn to aim (stop using auto-aim), and stop sitting in the open with their weakest armour exposed, then they wouldn't be having such a hard time against them.

    As for most being clueless, I see just as many (more actually) clueless non-premium T8/9/10, which really is a deplorable situation at that tier.

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  80. Anonymous said...

    Can we get updated stats as seen in this thread:

    http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/49451-unofficial-na-server-statistics/

    Having that available helps match-maker discussions.
    September 19, 2011 9:43 PM

    Try this thread;
    http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/46554-unofficial-eu-server-statistics/

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  81. Anonymous said...

    where is old match-making chart? to Compare
    September 19, 2011 8:40 PM

    Try this thread;
    http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/57269-new-matchmaker/

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  82. Overlord what about Tier 4 Light Tanks?

    I think they deserve a good break after dying because the matchmaker put them into Tier 10 gaes. Tier 5 scouts can handle most of the task so Tier 4's should have a 3 Tier reduction

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  83. "I really liked this game, but I moved up to Tier 4 over the weekend and its hopeless. All to often I am the sole light tank in a sea of heavies"


    Tier 4 lights are an odd special case if your not used to it. It gets better again once your a tier 5 medium.

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  84. What's the 11 12 and 13 about I don't understand...

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  85. enjoy people rage quitting the game because of your great matchmaking

    there's no point to play an IS when I can't damage half the enemies and when I encounter things like T29, T32, T28, T95, Jtiger I have an urge to uninstall the game

    see you at tier 1

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  86. Ico, if you can't damage T29 and T32 playing IS it means that u are not good player. Also T28 shouldn't be huge problem, even from front IS can deal him a lot of damage.

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  87. The contrast of the mediums is hard to see.

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  88. The contrast of the mediums is very hard to see (you would have tought someone would have fixed it by now). Plus, why isn't this posted on the forum, where it should be?

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  89. Without changing the matchmaker to only allow a 3 tier difference between the top tank and the lowest tank, there will be always too mch unfairness.

    Mixing the tiers is okay, but putting tier 4 to tier 8 is just plain wrong imho!

    Snortsch

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  90. Shura: It is on the forum, under the 'developers break down game mechanics' section.

    Tupinambis: You're misinterpreting, the tier 3 mediums and lights see battle type 6 at most, while tier 6 tanks see nothing under battle type 7.

    plasot: The Ram II has the same gun as the M7 and similar guns to the T-34 and Panzer III/IV so why shouldn't it get the same matches? The T14 does have a weaker gun, but if you look at the bottom of the chart you'll see it's listed as an exception and only sees up to tier 7s like the M3 lee it shares a gun with (but has far more armour and health than).

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  91. Q: Why is the KV-5 a T8 Tank restricted to battle tiers 9 to 10 and the KV-3 a T6 Tank can get upto battle tier 11?
    Will this get fixed someday or does one have to buy a pricy premium tank to get fair matchmaking?

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  92. So this is why I'm getting frustrated a lot lately when playing WoT, I seriously don't enjoy being put with my T6 tank in T9 battles and it's not that it only happens few times a day, it's like every 2nd battle I'm being in T9 matches where I can hardly do anything to T8 tanks and above with my T6 tank, seriously why is it so hard to create battle mode with restrictions to +/-1 tier difference matching, like T7 tank will be matched with T6, T7 and T8 tanks, not with the damn T9 tanks, this is honestly getting really frustrating for me and I really like this game, but this awful MM is just ruing it for me, I've forced myself to play this game only to finish Double daily exp events, and soon as I'm finished with all the tanks I have I'm not playing WoT any further, believe me I really want to enjoy this game, but MM doesn't allow me to. I hope you take this into consideration to limit battles to 1 tier difference from your tank's tier and of course this wouldn't apply to light "scout" tanks and SPGs, try it, experiment and decide but don't just ignore it.

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  93. @"The Ram II has the same gun as the M7 and similar guns to the T-34 and Panzer III/IV so why shouldn't it get the same matches? The T14 does have a weaker gun, but if you look at the bottom of the chart you'll see it's listed as an exception and only sees up to tier 7s like the M3 lee it shares a gun with (but has far more armour and health than)."

    Similar to M7, rest of tanks you have listed got also a better guns in term of damage and as you can see on this chart premium T8 heavys got smaller tier spread than normal T8 tanks - reason? Cause they're better in overall performance. T34, M7, PzIII/IV also are better than RamII. But. Point is that I'm not writing about normal tier 5 tanks but about Ram II and IMO tier spread for Ram II is too huge. If you think similar for normal tier 5 tanks, write it down.

    "Ico, if you can't damage T29 and T32 playing IS it means that u are not good player. Also T28 shouldn't be huge problem, even from front IS can deal him a lot of damage."

    T29 is OP but beatable, T32 gut better hull so sometimes shells dings, T34 got same hull as T29 so again it's beatable. T28 from front only with HE or with sheer luck - from front penetrable are only cupolas (and small bar underbelly but i didn't bother to). TDs from tier 9 should be unpenetrable in the front for tier 7 tanks, i guess it is usual syndrom of russian heavy players used in their OP machines (KW and KW3) to beat 2 tier higher tanks. Thats why he thinks that IS is too weak ;]

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  94. the accuracy of arti got nerfed badly
    you can be happy to land 1 hit from 10 with T5 arti
    you could at least release a statement
    I know you can't remove arti because people spend much time and money on it (that's why you'll probably nerf it till it becomes unusable) but you could at least announce what you are doing with it

    your great matchmaking perfectly ruins the game

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  95. Darkemis: I got my best ever match in my KV-1s earlier today in a tier 5-8 match. 2000XP, doubled to 4000. You may not like not being able to use your tank's selling point to great effect (It's armour and health) but it's hardly fair to say you're useless.

    plasot: They have less damage but shot yes, but they fire faster so that's just a style thing, not a stronger/weaker factor, they do have similar penetration though.

    The only tier 8 premium heavy that gets notable different matchmaking is the KV-5, and that's understandable because it has the 107mm with very low penetration for tier 8. The only special matchmaking the Lowe and M6A2E1 get are that they only see tier 7 arty max and not the tier 8 ones, they still go up against tier 10s. It does seem a bit of an odd exception for those two though, I guess it'll probably be removed in future patches as other exceptions have been.

    Overlord: Is the Valentine's matchmaking wrong? Around about release it was changed to only be in low tier matches, but that chart lists it as going in with the higher tiers again, where it doesn't have the speed to scout or the gun to damage anyone.

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  96. "...Overlord: Is the Valentine's matchmaking wrong? Around about release it was changed to only be in low tier matches, but that chart lists it as going in with the higher tiers again..."

    According to the chart the worst case scenario for Valentine is tier 4 tanks (HT, TD, Lights and Meds) and tier 3 SPGs. Don't see any higher tiers there.

    Its a great tank by the way - a bit slow and with a weak gun, but well armored and with a nice amount of HPs.

    Cheers, m4st3r

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  97. what is tier 12 and 13 battle?

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  99. Problem I have is because I'm driving VK3601H (also VK3001H before) and those tanks as we know have 8,8 cm KwK 36 L/56 and that gun does have really awful penetration for its tier, therefore when I'm thrown into T9 battles and that's a lot of times, I can't do anything to T9 not even with HE shells since those bounce off too, also in those matches as you've guess it there are T8s too, and I can barely scratch those with AP if I'm behind them which is highly unlikely since I'll most probably be destroyed by his team mates if I try to flank T8 guy, then I'm left with HE shells that do like miserable 80 damage per shot and sometimes they bounce off, and since T9 battles mostly consist of T9, T8, T7 and T6 as bottom of the food chain in that match, I can only harm T7 and T6 which there are maybe 2 tanks of each tier and most probably T6s are artillery, so that leaves me with 2 T7 guys and those will be long gone when I try to reach them, so really I do get frustrated and I have a good reason to be, or my other option is to alt + F4 and play other tank, which I don't do. (edited post dun dun dun)

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  100. @Darkemis: True, with the VK36 you can do little vs let's say an e75 or the Vk45 ausf a, BUT you can damage every tier 8 sufficiently, the T34 has a miserable hull armor so there should be no problem there ands the IS4 is also quite vulnerable when flanked. There are 2 key concepts to be successful in such cases: 1. Know where to shoot (if you try to shoot and American heavy in the turret you deserve to die), 2. Know how to fight. The Vk36 is quite maneuverable and has good accuracy. In a tier 9 battle you are supposed to fire from the 2nd or even 3rd row. Do NOT charge the enemy with that. I did quite well in the Vk36 and have seldom found players who hated it (also: Look up the profile of LiannaSilverwind. I ran across that guy once and he is a GOD when it comes to mediums. Look at his vk36 stats and then tell me it's a bad tank).

    A final remark: Douchebags like you, who leave their team with afk vehicles and do not participate in the battle they are in should be BANNED! WoT is intended for teamplay. Having an afk guy on your team hurts you, a lot. It is bad enough that people can just leave the battle and thus deprive other players of a kill they would else have. Doing so and even living on others' experience is the most shamefull behaviour I can think of!

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  101. "dCK_Ad_Hominem said...
    A final remark: Douchebags like you..."

    Blame WG for making the players quit a battle. It really sucks to have AFKs or quitters but it's a problem on WG's site. WG made the game as it is and that's why players just don't want to play certain battles or maps or they are forced to play crap tanks like A20 or M3 Lee.

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  102. @ dCK_Ad_Hominem: Exactly what ico said, also seems like you read 1 or 2 lines of my text and then you jump to conclusions, actually I said I can't scratch T8 from front, and that's true, T32 or T34 hulls are weak but front is very sloped and 132 pen power versus 127 front armor being sloped will hardly be penetrated by a miserable penetration of any gun on T6 VK series, also every tank is vulnerable when flanked but as I said in my earlier post which you didn't bother to read, if I attempt to flank anyone I'll get devastated by their team soon as I start the maneuver, 1. I know where to shoot but accuracy is not the best at long ranges so it hardly helps shooting at weak spots 400+ meters and even not counting losing penetration power with AP due to longer distance, or if I'm near I'll probably get focus fired since I'm easy target, 2. I know how to fight, 3k battles in beta and 2k soon in release, I do not rambo it's not my style. I don't care about some guy, I'm not talking about him nor I wish to be like him, I never said tank itself is bad, I said MM that puts it where tank is outclassed is bad as well as tank's gun which should be lower tier module.

    Also you have no right to call me douche bag, hell you might be the one by just doing that but I don't care, it's not my problem, and for your information I will leave when I want to, why? Because I don't give a damn about people like you, tell me why does everyone call this game team-based where there is no word "TEAM" in a random matches? 10% of my total matches I saw team work, and it was beautiful, rest of the matches I played was something like "EVERY MAN FOR HIM SELF" and also I do not afk, it's not my thing, as because of every man for himself style of random battles I doubt anyone would be hurt, well actually soon as you press "battle" to enter random battles you're instantly hurt, and living on others' experience is shameful? And as a final note I said I don't leave, but sometimes I really want to leave.

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  103. Also about "living on others' experience is shameful?" thing, you're saying that if some guy gets burnt by doing stupid thing, I should pretend it didn't happen (aka "others' experience") and that I should do that same exact thing that made him get burnt in the first place? Okay, thanks for information.

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  104. @Daremis:

    I did very well read your post. I will skip the "fighting higher tier vehicles"-section now and move to the personal critique. When you are saying:"10% of my total matches I saw team work, and it was beautiful..." and previously state that:"I will leave when I want to, why? Because I don't give a damn about people like you..." you are in a bit of a paradox from my point of view. My point is: Even though team work often times does not succeed it doesn't mean that one should stop trying. After all you know which battles can happen with which tier vehicle, you know the mechanics of the game, so live with it. There are lots of times where I would wish for an allied vehicle to just take ONE hit for me, which then would allow me to finish the opponent in front of me off and secure us both, victory and survival (aka 50% more xp).

    What I was refering to with "living on others'" was that I dislike people who do not do a damn thing in battle (afk) and still profit if the team wins. By going Alt + F4 you have a life span of 2 min until the battle is over. If your team wins in this time span (during which you actually ARE afk), you can sponge off xp because you stayed alive and "won".

    Have a nice day

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  105. ''So this is why I'm getting frustrated a lot lately when playing WoT, I seriously don't enjoy being put with my T6 tank in T9 battles and it's not that it only happens few times a day, it's like every 2nd battle I'm being in T9 matches where I can hardly do anything to T8 tanks and above with my T6 tank, seriously why is it so hard to create battle mode with restrictions to +/-1 tier difference matching, like T7 tank will be matched with T6, T7 and T8 tanks, not with the damn T9 tanks, this is honestly getting really frustrating for me and I really like this game, but this awful MM is just ruing it for me, I've forced myself to play this game only to finish Double daily exp events, and soon as I'm finished with all the tanks I have I'm not playing WoT any further, believe me I really want to enjoy this game, but MM doesn't allow me to. I hope you take this into consideration to limit battles to 1 tier difference from your tank's tier and of course this wouldn't apply to light "scout" tanks and SPGs, try it, experiment and decide but don't just ignore it. ''

    agree

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  106. @ dCK_Ad_Hominem:

    I'm not in a paradox, I said I will leave if I want to, that is my right, but true I don't like people like you that think I should stick it to the end and waste my time by managing nothing, I can spend my time better with different tank however I do stick, and I didn't stop trying, I do try, I pick a team mate in a match and stick with him through out the battle but it's not that him and me can turn the tide of the battle, and yes I do know which battles can happen that's why I said what I had in mind in the first post about limiting matches to try and make the game more enjoyable.

    I know what you meant,and again I'll repeat I do not alt + F4 but sometimes I really wish to do it, and I do not afk as I said and therefore do not mix me with those people, I said I can leave whenever I want to is because I can, but I won't.

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  107. from tier 2 upwards you have often little chance to fight a tank that's only 1 tier higher than yours - more armor, much more HP, more damage, more penetration
    and here you get tanks that are 3-4 tiers higher, great WG, working as intended...to piss people off
    the only difference between T3,4 and T7 is that in T3,4 you get one shot, at T7 you get 2-3 shot while your shots bounce from them

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  108. "The only tier 8 premium heavy that gets notable different matchmaking is the KV-5, and that's understandable because it has the 107mm with very low penetration for tier 8."
    And yet the KV-3 with the same 107mm and every other stat much worse gets thrown into Battle Tier 11... that's bullshit.

    The VK36 is a great tank!
    The Gun 8,8 cm KwK 36 L/56 isn't bad either, it's just horribly low on penetration, lower than every (non howizer) T7 gun and worse then some T6 guns, which makes you suffer in battle tiers 9-11 depending on your opponents.
    You can't always flank them!

    Since it's also the top gun for the VK DB it really needs a buff penetration wise.

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  109. "The Gun 8,8 cm KwK 36 L/56 isn't bad either, it's just horribly low on penetration, lower than every (non howizer) T7 gun and worse then some T6 guns, which makes you suffer in battle tiers 9-11 depending on your opponents."

    Agreed! The 88 L/56 is pitted against guns like the D-10T which entered the war much later when it was replaced by the 88 L/71. Yet the T34-85 gets access to the D-10T and the VK36 and VK DB(!) are stuck with the inferior L/56...
    Reduce the battle tier or upgrade the weapons!

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  110. if soviet russia same mentality with wargaming company. I have no question about why USSR fail.
    Before fix your game first fix your brain because PPLs said zillions times "we demand new system" "no one wants canon foddler"... and you dont want hear this...

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  111. So according to this chart, starting at tier 6 you will never be in a battle of your own tier?

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  112. The chart is in the forum... In a thread that's listed at the bottom of the sub-forum because its last post was created a year ago! Hardly an appropriate place to put them. The old system, where evey chart was in a new post in the same thread ensured it appeared at the top of the list (and allowed for comparisons and monitoring of the MM evolution). This way its visibility is highly impaired for no particular reason.

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  113. This chart confirms some of my thoughts on the relative performance of certain tank classes at certain tiers. I think there are definitely some holes around 6, 7, 8.

    On a separate note, I think we can also see here why the 88/L56 needs a small boost -- perhaps more HE damage, better conformity (this should be set by physics, but I've seen other physics inconsistencies in the game [same shell, different tank, different HE damage] so it's possible that it's tweaked) or a very small additional amount of penetration.

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  114. Frankly I like most of the spread on the chart. Give fun Oh S**T! moments when you run up against something to hide from. Make you play, oh, tactics, and oh, TEAMWORK, instead of just blindly rushing forward shooting at anything.

    However....

    Now that the Tier 5 Lights are in game, and the 6 and 7 lights are due shortly, can we please change the chart? Something like cutting off the top 3 battle tiers for tier 4 lights. Except the Leo (a dedicated scout), just lower it's by 2.

    Thanks for putting up with all the whining.

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  115. people whining about being a light in a t9-10 battle, you know you get asome experience if you scout enemy tanks? and by scouting i dont mean rush to die in 30 sec. i mean spot tanks, hide..wait for arty respot. reposition, spot other flank. get a round in on the tracks of a tank thats not facing you. HIDE. RESPOT. RUN. than die.

    this is also very valuable for your team!

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  116. ^playing a tank game while hiding in bushes and not firing a single shot, that anon is a genius, you should work at WG :)
    (he better didn't use his real nick so we can't see that Lowe is his garage)

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  117. @ico:

    A friend of mine has the vk2801. When playing together (me with GW Tiger) we can reak absolute havoc over the enemy. Think it doesn't pay off for the light? In a good round, just by scouting and killing one or two arties maybe, my pal can make about 1k xp and 30k credits. He does not need to fire, he will get half of my credits because he spots my targets. If you cannot understand the different approaches to different assets please stop spamming here about them and do what you told us you would many times already, play tier 1.

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  118. ^nice trolling dCK_Ad_Hominem
    go play M3Lee

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  119. Hey @OVERLORD
    nice to see that u guys forgot to change the tier4 lights matchmaking on this patch..
    you'd think with tier5 lights being the new top end scouts you'd have balanced the tier 4 lights back to a normal if not more benifical matching..
    After all they've been getting raped in one shot by tier 9's for quite too long..

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  120. Simple tier matching works but its the types people get matched up against. Just today I was in a tier 5 and under game now why did it put 4 kvs and 2 T1 HT on one side and not heavy tanks on the other?

    Game balance should not be done on tier alone but class of tank too.

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  121. @ico...

    A light tank is a scout tank. If you don't like hiding in bushes or running for your life, go grind for a heavy tank. A KV is only tier 5 (I got tier 5 vehicle the in my first 20 hours of playing, granted it was premium so say 30 hours of free play).

    I don't see why a light tank should be able to destroy everything on the battlefield... it's entirely unrealistic for one.

    The MM system is designed to create semi realistic encounters. It's not like tanks of only +/- 1 tier would be in battles in real life. No, your not going to be able to be the hero if you are a light tank in a high tier battle, but you can still make a difference.

    Main point is find a class of tank that you like and enjoy it. If lights aren't your thing, go mediums then heavies (or TD's or Arty). You can get mediums as low as tier 2...

    No tank is invincible. Heavy's are slow and arty magnents. If I'm playing my arty, I don't even bother shooting at lights (unless they are silly enough to park out in the open for 10 seconds) as it's too hard to hit them.

    With the exception of light tanks, I wouldn't mind the MM to be a little more restrictive (say +/2 two tiers max) but I'm OK with it for now. If the game's only fun when you are the top tank... well go get a Tier 10 tank then.

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  122. "A friend of mine has the vk2801. When playing together (me with GW Tiger) we can reak absolute havoc over the enemy. Think it doesn't pay off for the light? In a good round, just by scouting and killing one or two arties maybe, my pal can make about 1k xp and 30k credits. He does not need to fire, he will get half of my credits because he spots my targets. If you cannot understand the different approaches to different assets please stop spamming here about them and do what you told us you would many times already, play tier 1."

    Totally agree. I just want my VK2801 so I can do what you suggest. This is what I currently do with my Leo, but I don't have a friend with an arty so it's spotty (hate battles w/o arty).

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  123. If the french tanks are coming in november, what about the M103 and T110? you know, the one that was meant to be introduced before the french tank, before the 7.0 patch, and the one that would fix the american heavy line?

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  124. I think it will be a BIG suck for a light tank. What the hell willd do an A20/T-50 with level 9 TDs and Heavys? wow you can run for 1 minute, and die. Maps are bigger and bigger in the new paches, and it make "scout" harder and harder.
    And the best is that you earnx XP for scout only for the winner maches.
    So.. If you have light tank you have 2 choise:
    -You run and scout and if you lucky you don't die in the first minute, and after it you pray for your team to win it.
    -You play like a normal tank and not an idiot. And if you are lucky you can hear "we didn't even scratch them" for 15 minutes.
    Fuck Yeah!

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  125. Lol, Matchmaker...the biggest joke about this game.

    This game will die out in the next 3 months thanks to BF3 and Skyrim and various other releases.

    Mostly because this game is no fun to play with current matchmaking...

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  126. I agree with this last 2 post. I know it is fashionable to call people noobs and whiners when they complain about MM, but the reality is this: Why bother playing a tank game when you can't really do anything to the other tanks? That's a lot of fun :/ Could you imagine if you were playing Black Ops, Halo, etc and you were placed into levels where you couldn't defeat a single other player/bot? Don't give me the scout excuse either, it's bunk. Best case as a scout is that you live long enough to watch other tankers having fun without you. Speed in the game is mostly negated by the way the maps are constructed and the fragility of tank tracks. I also think that MM is bad on purpose...who would buy tanks when the free ones were fair?

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  127. Free tanks are ok.

    When I played my Leopard I really enjoyed it even if there were lots of bigger tanks I could not even penetrate. I knew I was valuable for my team scouting and staying hidden.
    I understand that not everybody likes this playing-style, but then you still have the choice to play TD's, SPG's, Mediums and Heavies.

    Or not?

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  128. in MM table is one specification still missing: max quantity of each tier and type per battle tier. for example battle tier 10 should have one tier 9 Heavy Tank or there should be 10 T9 HTs...and that is completely different battle...
    i saw many battles where was something like: 1xT9, 1xT8, 2xT7 and the rest low tiers with 1-2 artillery. sometimes T8 or T7 vehicles are completely missing. Where I am pointing to? even T7 vehicle (except arty) hardly hurts to T9 heavy tanks. so very often those battles are one man show.../or couple men show... frustrating...advices like: "use HE" are more less funny...i just asking for more decent MM, publicized for example on this MM chart. Is it possible to publish all MM model? (i think many ppl then get the answer on question: how many artys could be in one battle :-)

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  129. in standards battles can be added as a filter also the nationality of the vehicle?

    example
    RUSvsUSA RUSvsGER GERvsUSA

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