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Tuesday, July 5, 2011

Server-side Update on Team Kill Penalties

Server-side adjustment has been applied to EU and US servers earlier today (July 5) increasing penalty rates for team killing and team damaging twice.

One will get team killer statuses quicker now (the amount of credits subtracted as penalty has not been changed, but one can get banned for TK more easily). Penalty rates for "splash" damage remain the same.

The update was server-side. Your game client doesn't require any updating.

57 comments:

  1. I like the penalty for shooting at teammates but i dislike the mechanics for team colissions. Once i stood camping in my vk45 and a panther of my team at 30% crashed into me with fullspeed - and i got a tk without shooting, even without moving. Getting a big penalty for this would be a bit ridiculous ;)

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  2. 1. Have sen alot of "haters" with small fast tanks smashing into Löwes. Now this is gonna be an even bigger problem! I wont buy another big premium tank under these contitions!

    2. Q: Why chant we have a function for forgivness in the case of TK and friendly fire? If you are forgiven no penalty.

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  3. Does this still mean that if you are hit by a teammate you still don't get a notification of how much you were compensated from them? being it credits or experience

    AOD_VIPER262

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  4. Q: Does this still mean that if you are hit by a teammate you still don't get a notification of how much you were compensated from them? being it credits or experience

    A: The "victim" doesn't see the amount of compensation.

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  5. Yesterday an SU-100 drove full speed right into the rear of my KV while I was driving forward. 100% his own fault but I have to pay both credits and xp because he was damaged.

    I understand that it's hard to detect cases like this but you have to agree it's not fair at all and pretty frustrating when you have to pay for someone else's mistakes.

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  6. First of all I have to say, I find the idea of getting xp/credit penalties for shooting/damaging tanks in the same team a good idea. And doubling those compensation is a good decision too. But it is very frustrating indeed if you have to pay a penalty when players get damaged by running into you.

    I've been fined a penalty 4 times now (if i recall correctly) and only 1 of those instances I actually shot someone by accident (he crossed in front of my canon the moment I hit the fire button). The other 3 occasions where light/medium tanks running into me, because they weren't paying attention. One of them even took off my tracks. They should pay me for damages, not the other way around, because it was their action that caused the collision.

    Please fix that in future versions. Because the current system is "flawed".

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  7. When does somebody get the teamkiller status. I have seen teamkillers, but noone turned blue. How long does somebody stay blue?

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  8. Ok. But when two tanks collide how you indicate which one is "victim"?

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  9. Overlord any future for a medal of 2 kills with 1 shoot? (spg)
    http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/1636/shot250.jpg

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  10. if a players name turns cyan/blue, does it mean we are free to shoot him? also does turning blue/cyan mean auto ban?

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  11. I too on multiple occasions have been a victim of paying for other players poor driving abilities. Are there any plans to remove/revise the teamkill penalties for collisions?

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  12. Q:

    A few days ago I played with my Slugger and while I was driving straight forward, an A-20 decided to ram into me from the side and spam "LOLOLOLOLOL!"
    So he killed himself with full speed on me and I got the teamkill for it.

    I also saw when people damage themselve on you, by accident or not, YOU get the "minus credits" and "minus EXP" (it's shown now).

    Why is that and why is it that I get a teamkill when some, excuse me for the language, retard is killing himself on my tank by just slamming into it?

    Thank you

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  13. IMO collision damage on allied tanks should be turned off. As a gameplay mechanic it has very little value as far as I can see and turning it off would have minimal effect on the game.

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  14. Soooo...The heavy drivers are still going to have to pay penalties for smaller tanks being careless and damaging themselves on us.Since all this has come more into the light and being discussed, I have been seeing alot more smaller tanks "grinding" and ramming us when we're not doing what they think we should, so they damage themselves on us to punish us....This game is getting better and better *sarcasm off*

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  15. I've played in matches where people are grieving the bigger tanks, specifically parking in front and back of the tank so it can't move.

    Why isn't this a bannable offense?

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  16. It's good to know that TKer's are to be punished for their "crime". But I do think it is unfair that a player in a large tank should be penalized when a smaller tank on the same team does a suicide charge into him ... or some idiot who is one step up the mental evolutionary ladder from a cabbage runs into a team mate by 'accident'.

    Knowing that you have a lot of fixes to think about as well as adding features to the game, I don't expect to see any resolution of this problem in the near future. However, it IS something that the developers should give a good hard look at.

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  17. WHEN SOME ALLY TANK CRASH ON ME AND DAMAGE MY TRACK I KILL THEM, AND I DONT CARE ABOUT A FINE OR WHATEVER ITS CALLED, I WILL BE HAPPY TO PAY ANY PENALTY,

    AND I WILL KILL AGAIN ALL THE GUYS WHO GO THERE WITH THEIR LOW TIER LIGHT TANK (OR SORT) AND SHOT ME THINKING THEY DONT DO ANY DAMAGE,
    LOTS OF TIMES I END A BATTLE WITH 50 OR LESS HP (OUT OF MY ALMOST 2K HP. BUT THIS LITTLE ALLY TANKS GO THERE TAKING 50 100 150 DAMAGE FROM ME AND TELLING ME THEY DONT DOO ANY DAMAGE. SOME TIMES THEY KILL SOME CREW MEMBER TOO...

    THIS SYSTEM OF PENALTYS WITH CREDITS AND EXP DOES NOT WORK, WHY? I WILL keep killing them.
    IM NOT A intentional tk just for the tk, i only do justice WITH my own handS

    AND I REALLY DONT LIKE WHEN SOME (ALLY) FOOL COME TO CRASH ME AND DIE AND I HAVE TO PAY A PENALTY.

    IM GLAD TO PAY A PENALTY TO KILL MORONS, BUT I DONT LIKE TO PAY FOR SOMEONE THAT WHANT TO SUICIDE INTO MY TANK.

    THEN THIS SYSTEM OF PENALTYS DOES NOT WORK

    BTW, I SEE SOME TIMES TANKS WITH "PURPLE" NICKNAME, 1 TIME I HAVE KILLED 1 AND I GOT -1 (MINUS 1) FRAGS... WTF, YOU SHOULD MAKE A FIX TO THIS SYSTEM, I DONT CARE ABOUT CREDITS OR EXP, I CARE ABOUT JUSTICE AND A NICE BATTLE AND TEAMPLAY.

    AS YOU CAN SE I WAS TELING THE TRUTH. AND IM NOT A NOOB I HAVE SOME SKILLS (NOT A PRO) AND +5.000 BATLLES. JUST TO LET YOU KNOW...

    I ALSO HATE THAT ARTYS ARE A VICTIM OF THIS FLAWED PENALTY SYSTEM

    REGARDS

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  18. In other news, my client just updated. What was that?

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  19. sorry for caps, looks like my caps lock key its broken

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  20. Overlord, when will the new supertest users finally get access to the testservers? This includes forum access.

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  21. Overlord, what can one do to remove the blue name label in the garage? Does it disappear with time provided that no more team killing occurs? If so how long? I've asked around but people always give the same reply "stop tking". It doesnt help cause sometimes such things happen, especially when ur clicking the mouse and a friendly rushes into ur line of fire; and I'm not tking on purpose. And unlucky enough, it happened a few times today for me to turn my name blue lol.

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  22. I still don't see the point of such a measure.

    Honest victims keep paying for mistakes of others but there's no direct compensation.

    When i suggested this fee on the official forum i intended also that, since as it is now it has limited sense.

    Since it's impossible you haven't thought about it, may i ask what troubles you from making the offender pay to the server and the server pay to the victim ?

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  23. Where can I find any info regarding "coloring" of Tk/Damaging you?
    I got shot at and he went Blue. Have no clue what blue means, except that he shot at me....
    What color is for Banned?
    And I think u must do something about suicide tanks, or the thinks will go bad!

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  24. Hi Overlord!

    Sorry for the "OFF Topic" question, but do you know anything about the last quiz results? 2 days ago it was 47% processed, but no words since. Please let us know about the results.

    Thank you very much

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  25. Q: Hi Overlord!
    Sorry for the "OFF Topic" question, but do you know anything about the last quiz results? 2 days ago it was 47% processed, but no words since. Please let us know about the results.
    Thank you very much

    A: Vallter is sorting them out atm.

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  26. A: Vallter is sorting them out atm.

    Thank you very much, i am so excited

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  27. I have a question about the "new premium T34" in future, which gun will the premium t34 have then ? the 105mm from t29 or the 120mm gun ?

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  28. Now that I've been penalized SEVERAL times for the actions of others, I'm starting to get a little annoyed with the new system. When driving large tanks, I commonly get people driving into me or scraping my sides as they try to sqeeze through a small gap. They take damage, I lose XP and credits. I had a stretch of four or 5 games in a row the other day where I got penalized and I was left wondering "WTF for?" Then I reaalized that it was from all the collisions of people hitting ME. Neato.

    I'm clearly in a sniping position...zoomed in and aiming and just as I fire, some goofball strays right in front of me at very close range (no way I would have seen him) and I smack him in the turret instead of my intended target. Of course, I feel bad. I don't want to hit a teammate EVER, even when they deserve it for tracking me or damaging me, but this kinda sucks. I lose again.

    The latter example is not that common and I can live with having lost XP and credits if one of my shells inadvertantly hits a teammate. However, to lose XP and credits from collisions which are usually not my faul is starting to become rather off-putting.

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  29. Well that's actually sad.
    I mean I'm happy for the guy who got his offtopic question answered while my on topic question was ignored.

    Guess I have to write "off topic" next time.
    Or just don't ask questions.
    Or get a small tank myself to ram into people and kill myself on them.

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  30. 1) arty is awesome, makes games more fun and speeds things up. It also keeps heavies from dominating the game.
    2) I like that the 'post game' report now shows any deductions from friendly damage - accidental or otherwise. As a result, driving seems to have improved rather quickly.
    3) I think we've all accidently Tk'd on occation. 2200 games and I've done is 3 or 4 times. I have yet to turn blue. BUT I've seen other players turn blue, players can tell when its an accident and when its not. No need to worry about it lads - theghostcat

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  31. Overlord are there any plans to remove/revise the teamkill penalties for collisions to fix the issue heavy tank drivers have with smaller tanks running into them and causing them to pay compensation.

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  32. An option would be, if the faster tank collides with a slow moving one, the faster get's the penalty.

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  33. Its realy fun suiciding yourself into a heavy tank, you need a couple of runs to succeed.

    Having a great time with this new system :-)

    Any tips on how to instant kill myself on a friendly?

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  34. Hi Overlord!
    Sorry for the "ON Topic" question, but do you know anything about if the devs are looking into the problem that the current penalty system is not working properly, because players in big tanks get fined when small tanks run into them because they're not paying attention? A lot of players asked basicly the same question over the past couple of days, but no words since. Please let us know about the results.
    Thank you very much

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  35. Could somebody provide me a link from the skin you can see on the screen. As a beginner, it would be very nice to get reminded of the armor
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    shiki said...

    Overlord any future for a medal of 2 kills with 1 shoot? (spg)
    http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/1636/shot250.jpg
    July 5, 2011 6:10 PM

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  36. I think the devs should remove the ramming penalty because it is not working as it should.

    //I don't think there is way to make program code that analyzes the ramming damage and then decide who's fault it was.

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  37. I just had yesterday some company battles and I got an idea. Our team could field top tier tanks and arty, while a lot other teams have still a lot low tier tanks. It's actually boring for both sides. It happens a lot. It would be great if we could add the option of seperating tank comps in 2 devisions. Probably at the moment are not enough players on the NA server to do so, but maybe you can try it on the other servers first. I don't like this easy wins and it might piss the other teams off. I really want the server population to grow on the NA server. Pls overlord get your Dev's to consider to nerf their toys or it's not gonna happen.

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  38. I have more ideas... There are 2 medals I don't like how you achieve them, sniper and steel wall. Both are rediculous. Sniper should be only awarded over a certain distance let's say for shots over 400m same rules. Steelwall should be percentage of your HP it makes no sense otherwise. I have both awards in the multiple hundreds and they annoy me everytime I see them, because they make no sense. Thx.

    Overlord I copied these 2 post I'm not shure if you still check on your old blogs.

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  39. Q: Hi Overlord!
    Sorry for the "ON Topic" question, but do you know anything about if the devs are looking into the problem that the current penalty system is not working properly, because players in big tanks get fined when small tanks run into them because they're not paying attention? A lot of players asked basicly the same question over the past couple of days, but no words since. Please let us know about the results.
    Thank you very much

    A: That's a known drawback. Planning to fix it.

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  40. Q: Overlord any future for a medal of 2 kills with 1 shoot? (spg)
    http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/1636/shot250.jpg

    A: Yes, possibly.

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  41. anon - 11:53 AM
    http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/27301-pogs-contour-icon-mods/

    version 3.2
    you can also search for version 5 if you like it more bright (i like that one)

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  42. I saw the previous post about the sniper award. There would be a solution to the problem. Change the name of sniper to 'Heavy Hitter' some it's related to dealing the most damage in a precise way. Add a new reward sniper that actually reflects a shot from a distance. Agreed the sniper award makes no sense if a face hugged gets it. That's not sniping.

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  43. Realism be damned. Make so that it is impossible to shoot at a tank on your team. Sure, a few might leave but I think it would TOTALLY eliminate the number of jackass bullies out there that think it's fun to frag a lower teir tank just because the little guy didn't go along with what the "armchair Patton" ordered. 'nuff said.

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  44. Overlord,

    I realize that you are receiving many complaints about the TK issue. I have received (pretty quickly) that status while playing my T-1 Cunningham (I have a friend that is just starting, so I 'toon up with him) as teammates zip across my field of fire while I'm in sniper mode.

    How long does this status last? I refuse to play any of my larger tanks, as the TK rules allow my teammates to kill me on sight.

    Thank you.

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  45. Another player drove into my shot and I turn blue? Spent over $150 playing this game and now no one will answer how long I have to stay blue for others rushing in? Might have more free time from now on since I might be done playing and spending $$ on WOT

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  46. I find the friendly kamikaze damm stupid and I wont apologise for it.

    I personnally like the game but being fined and potential tk status for lower tiers deliberate or accidental ramming higher tiers is friggen stupid.

    Tk via arty or any form of ammo use is fair but collisions is, come on plain stupid. It gets to point when gold runs out I may not renew if TK or fines get overboard.

    Regards, Darren, a.k.a. dopeydazza

    I wont hide my identity, I will praise where its deserved and I will critique where necessary, Overlord, overall great job on game, thanks

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  47. Yes, sincerely this matter of accidentally TK and being flagged as "blue Tkiller" is a bit annoying. I made it this morning for the first time, accidentally, and i immediately apoliize with the teammate killed. he didnt answer but other teammates, close to the action, saw my mistake (shooting when they were in close combat but not waiting for the accuracy ring being completed...). YES, the "forgiveness system" where a box appears asking "Do you forgive your teammate?" would be the best solution.
    ciao

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  48. Greetings, Overlord

    ....................

    I have 1 question about this topic.I thought about it a little nd I would want you to give it a thought.

    Instead of the Penalty System can't you just turn off Frieandly fire?

    I mean if someone from my team hits me (be it by accident or on purpose) or ramms me - I don't recieve direct damage,module damage or crew injuries from that friendly hit.

    If my suggestion gets implimented there'll be only winners and no TKs.

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  49. Overlord riddle me this:
    ok i keep getting blasted it by smaller tanks and then when i fight back my name went blue and my whole team wrecked me even though the little guy started it i for one find this to be dumb as i was just retaliating now if i ever enter a game my name goes blue this is absolutely absurd as i didnt start it how long does this last for? i dont mind paying the fines and stuff but now I would like to have somebody answer exactly how long this status lasts for
    can you please answer that question?
    Thanks

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  50. Accidental TK-status for me, too. Was having a firefight whilst a teammate drove his cunningham into the line of fire, got shot unintentionally by me and was immediately wasted.

    As a result I'm now blue. For how long I ask?

    I've not shot any of my teammates before as far as I know.

    How come you turn Teamkiller from the very first time?

    Is there a way to make amends to redeem yourself?

    I mean look at the ratio: 240+ battles 89 kills and one stray shot makes me a TeamKiller?

    I hope not for good, since this does seem to be a bit out of proportion. You know "Errare humanum est"

    Is there a FAQ on TK status? (Should be)

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  51. will someone answer the question "HOW LONG DO YOU STAY BLUE FOR".The revised rules rules about repaying credit/xp make no sense

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  52. I used to play this game every single day sense CBT....I've spent allot of money on this game but I find with every "Fix" I play the game less and less.....1/2 hour every 2and or 3rd day....on the bright side I have more available money now....

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  53. Good day to all those here at TK-AA. Today I turned BLUE for the 1st time.

    I'm a 4 day, 132 game newbie who hasn't made a single chat message yet (mostly too busy trying to keep from being killed to text "great shot dude"). I'd been playing 11 hours straight as well (very bad idea). For this game I'd chosen my Pkw-38t (all mods up), lowest tank on my side, defending the base near a railway station. 4 enemies came up en mass behind the rail cars and it got very hot, very fast.

    Going into the fracas, my mini map showed none of my side within half the map, so I thought it was me against the evil Red World. I got myself in a tight alley so I couldn't be flanked. Due to the tracks and cars channeling their movements, restricting their long guns' swing, I was shooting BIG tanks in the flanks point blank with a long 47mm, often firing under the cars even. Mainly just giving out track hits and lucky shots, but they aren't getting to the flag. 5 tanks blastin', bits and pieces of rail cars flyin', chunks of building rainin', fires leapin' up, crashin' and grindin' everywhere around, all within maybe 50 yards.... and it seemed to be lastin' MINUTES!!

    I'd used up 2/3 my ammo against such odds, no KIAs yet, and I wasn't looking too well at the color markers above the tanks, when I could even see them in the sniper view. Somehow one of my side got back there with them and planted himself right in front of me. The turret filled my sniper view completely through a hole blown in a rail car. I target and fire instantly as just one more of the enemy, putting 5 or 6 rounds into him for my only KIA of the game. It seemed a miracle... for 2 seconds.

    In a moment the audio came up saying I'd killed one of my own and I became a blue Smurf. Of course the chat hit the fan instantly. In my shame I drove out and sat in front of the Red Horde so they could obligingly kill me. Chatting "sorry" seemed pretty lame at that moment, though I certainly felt I was. Didn't stay a moment to listen to the rest. Only wish I could buy the victim a real 6 pack.

    The previous -1 error had been way back in the Lechtractor the day I'd started. So, yes, it was a very deliberate, but very accidental, KIA of a friendly in the fog of war. It can happen. Now I await the rains til the blue washes off and I can play again.

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  54. BTW: I think it's important to represent Friendly Fire accurately (oxymoron ;^D). Errors of combat did make differences in real history and, since WoT supposes to be an accurate simulation of Tank Warfare (insofar as individual tank vs. tank battle is concerned), this must be included. You shoot a gun at a friend and he may die. Same with tanks and ships and planes and spaceships.

    Take it out and real military authorities will not take WoT seriously. I do think we need to allow games to be nationally oriented, if the players want that OPTION. Also, more than 2 sides might be considered (ala. Germans and Italians vs. French, Americans and English in Africa). Allies sometimes don't work well together.

    I also look forward to other nationalities (Brits!!) and WW1 variants. Machine guns (and trench mortars and field guns....) can make a difference there!

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  55. Hi, I think it's stupid to make us pay for the penalties done by our own teamates. I was having a platoon with my friend i was driving my kv-2 when suddenly our t1 heavy tank rush and block our path of retreat. before dying I putted a giant led on his tank and he instantly died and my name turned blue! XD it's fun but still stupid, wot should check the replay to see the mistakes so they can penalizes the ones who did wrong!!! But I did enjoy shooting that t1 heavy tank XD!

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