4184 players took part in the latest poll showing almost 30% growth. As a result of the voting for the best tier 9 TD, the votes were equally divided between Object 704 and T95 (37% each) with the Soviet unit ahead having 5 votes more. German JT was far behind having 1065 votes (25%).
Poll results do not perfectly reflect the actual performance of the three in full, actually. :)
New weekly poll (hot this time) is up.
Poll results do not perfectly reflect the actual performance of the three in full, actually. :)
New weekly poll (hot this time) is up.
Camp-novka burn that utterly garbage map!! along with Komarin..........
ReplyDeleteI like Malinovka, but not all the time as today. Perhaps you could simply change the chance of a map appearing? With a map of the week that is more frequently selected.
ReplyDeleteAbout malinovka: i'll appreciate another choice ... i'm not loving it but i'dont hate it either.
ReplyDeleteIt seems I am the 1st voter. I hate this map cos players camp from beginning to the end. I don't want to spend more than 10 mins in any maps.
ReplyDeleteWould be good to make it less camp friendly
ReplyDeleteSo, what was the point of the Tank Destroyer poll if you don't plan to do anything about it? It is well known that the JagdTiger has some serious flaws that are truly hurting its ability to perform. Now armed with knowledge that the community does not think the JT is performing adequately, will you at least entertain the idea of buffing it?
ReplyDeleteI used to hate Malinovka, but now I'm neutral with it. I really hate Redshire though.
ReplyDelete"Poll results do not perfectly reflect the actual performance of the three in full, actually."
ReplyDeleteactualy it does.
the jtiger has no camo and has no alpha cannon. thats why it is at the bottom of the list.
About that new poll (Malinovka), add a 3rd option: Make is less camp friendly. I truly believe most people would vote for that instead of a complete removal
ReplyDeleteAbout your TD poll. Are there plans to improve the Jagdtiger since people find it weak and you basicly stated the same? It would be nice to clear that up.
i hate it .. in this form ..
ReplyDeletedont need to remove it, but needs to be cahnged.
for examle:
-put some houses/rocks in the middle of the field
-the hill is too steep, it took ages to go around with a heavy, and it makes the people camp, cuz' no one wants to go with 7 km/h for 5 minutes or so (and then beeing oneshot by a bush).. is boooooooooring
-the swamp should be remove, put some obsticles instead
-...
I overlooked the "not" in the news, ignore the "you basicly stated the same" in my previous statement. Guess I was hoping the devs acknowledge the inferiority of the german equipment while the arty and the TD line seems ok to me. JdPzIV is a pain to lvl though.
ReplyDeleteI've noticed some weird stuff going on in PTR malinovka, when I'm on my M5 (I absolutely adore that tank and scouting with it) on live I usually have to go in the middle of the field before seeing the enemy tanks, but on PTR I scout first enemy tanks right after I leave the base and the rest shortly afterwards.
ReplyDeleteSo my question is: have there been some changes to Malinovka or spotting system in general, or is it jist my imagination running wild?
BooMsx
Wait what? I like Malinovka, I never camp on it I'm always ruhing on hill to nice melee. But I think Malinovka should be slightly changed - make some parts of uphil road partially covered by earthwall and add one or two undestroyable buildings on hill.
ReplyDeleteI like almost all maps, I really hate Komarin (yup, still not fixed, these earth walls on one side are too small), I don't like Ensk, too many bushes on it and I don't like Prokhorowka - too many bushes (I think on that western road some bushes should be removed and some obstacles added). Ahhh and Murowanka - I don't like that camping side, remove bushes and add some earth walls and undestroyable buildings.
Remove it or drastically change malinovka. Players will continue to exit battle upon discovering that map was loaded.
ReplyDeleteJosip
Where can I find new poll, can you post the link please?
ReplyDeleteMalinovka is a disasterous map. It is not so much in the lower tiers when people are crazy and suicidal but in my experience, essentially the first army that moves is toast. The opposing campers gun down whoever is foolish enough to attack via swamp or north or even no-man's land.
ReplyDeleteMany players, (my platoon included), usually charge off across the way to die and scout. Can it please become more than just two lines to camp on?
"Poll results do not perfectly reflect the actual performance of the three in full, actually. :)"
ReplyDeleteNo you are right, people are obviously completly dumb...
It was a real beast IRL and everyone was completly excited when it's been released back in the beta (and still people that are joining the game), do you remember??
But no. No there is no problem so far...Players are too silly to understand how to play. It is performing very well, right?
Nobody like it anymore?
This is perfectly normal, it is well known that players' appreciation DOES NOT in ANY way match how the tank is performing in the game.
No, it is ALL about the skin and the look of the tank...
What the point of the poll?
Malinovka needs a redo. Put a big factory in the middle of the field so you can move up and have some better cover.
ReplyDeleteAlso I believe the JT is getting some love next patch. A damage buff is in the works.
The JT is far behind because the gun bounces more shots and it's ahistorical armor is like paper with huge weak spots in its armor.
ReplyDeleteI have more luck in my Ferdinand than I have in my JT.
Really, do we need this pool? This kind of pool is on forums every other day. How many topics was already created about this shitty map? And what will be next pool, "do you think matchmaker works fine"? Sorry Overlord, but is this some kind of troll pool? Because results are obvious.
ReplyDeleteCap arty or make them possible to countery battery and most open maps will be a joy to play.
ReplyDeleteSo, what was the point of the Tank Destroyer poll if you don't plan to do anything about it?
ReplyDeleteIf you wont change a thing what the point of the pool?
ReplyDeletewhy the hate for malinovka? Komarin is clearly the better choice for a map that needs changing/removing. if the tank traps in the middle are the devs idea of fixed, your PR team needs a serious overhaul. atleast malinovka promotes movement, even if it is only in one direction. Komarin has no movement atall.
ReplyDeleteYou fucking russians must be really dump to need a pool to know the obvious answer that are post over and over in the foruns
ReplyDeleteI said it depends of the teamates....
ReplyDeletei have ferdi but i am waiting for stug E100 ( i hope it didnt get 15 cm gun from E-100)
ReplyDeleteJT has small camo bonus, huge weakspots, but the guns is really good
surprise
ReplyDeleteThe German Tanks are on the last place (but like you said who cares about, not you)
Thx by the way how you going to mess up the Maus and the E100.
And when you are saying that the game is not against german Tanks, i have one question.
For killing a tank from any nation, when did you get a Achievement???
Malinovka is good and could be better, but should definetely stay. Its called variety
ReplyDelete"Poll results do not perfectly reflect the actual performance of the three in full, actually. :)"
ReplyDeleteI guess I will explain soon why the german tanks are far superior in the game...
Overlord, if you make a poll like you have in your home country, don't do it. It's not Byelorussia: poll results actually show the real demand.
I will=you will
ReplyDeletesorry typo..
Malinovka is great for low tier battles - no hassle, just go directly and shot someone/get shot. But for that purpose the "hill part" is totally useless - no horde of Loltractors is going to flank anybody :)
ReplyDeleteHowever, for higher tier battles this map is sort of a pain in you know where. Hate to get shot by someone across the field you will most likely never spot.
What would help the map, as someone already wrote, make the "hill part" less steep and put some obstacles/cover on it and on the main field as well.
Even loltractors like some cover :)
"Poll results do not perfectly reflect the actual performance of the three in full, actually. :)"
ReplyDeleteNot perfectly, not not too far off either!
I agree with the persons above, Malinovka becomes a pain in high tiers.
ReplyDeleteIt is really annoying when the top tier player in my team (for example Maus) quits as soon as he enters the map.
Would appreciate a third option on the poll:
c) Modify map - make it less camper friendly and easier to move forward (at the moment Hill is pretty much the only way to get forward)
My real answer to poll:
ReplyDelete"Kindda dislike it. But Komarin is wayyyyy worse and should really not exist at all".
Not enough options in poll so I voted for the one thats closer. I think that redesigning Malinovka is the better option. Add some cover to the field perhaps, make rushing easier
ReplyDelete4184 players took part in the latest poll showing almost 30% growth
ReplyDeletePoll results do not perfectly reflect the actual performance of the three in full, actually. :)
right thats funny cause the german tanks are last
so why do you make a poll if you dont care??????
ReplyDeleteEhh, I like JagdTiger the most. 704 and T95 are just bad tanks in comparison, and yes I really do think that.
ReplyDelete31% of players have fun on Malinovka :)
ReplyDeleteWell the fact that the DEVS gave the German Jagdtiger an absolutely horrid CAMMO rating, should this surprise anybody here? Somebody explain to me how a Object 704 has three times a better cammo rating than a Jagdpanther??? Ridiculous
ReplyDeleteOverlord, if the amount of "crap map" votes is double as much as the other, will it be taken away then?
ReplyDeleteMalinovka...Well it's only bad because you usually have to wait a lot more for something to happen, but the key of victory is scouting while the others are sniping from the base.Hands off!
ReplyDeleteplasot said...
ReplyDelete31% of players have fun on Malinovka :)
August 1, 2011 8:28 PM
ANd i haz too!
U are adding more and more maps. some are suited better for low tiers so simply keep those maps for low tiers and add some maps suited and used only for high tiers. this way you can add more maps without having too many in the rotation.
ReplyDeleteId say if the village on Malinovka could get some "durable" houses it will be a great map.
ReplyDeleteDon't remove it! This map is fun to play.
ReplyDeleteRemove Komarin instead.
Malinovka was my 1st map, so I love it. It is very good map, but not every player can play it...
ReplyDeleteWhat a bunch of BS. What's the point in putting up polls asking what the players experiences/opinions are if you STILL say that even though the poll shows one thing, it's not correct. Get your head out of the sand and stop flaunting your precious statistics and listen to your players, your customers, your income. We use and play these things on a daily basis and 99% of the time the majority is CORRECT. Companies with views like yours are the reason that what could be a great game will never be more than mediocre at best.
ReplyDeleteYeah these polls are just the devs pretending to actually care about what the players think or entertain feedback about the product they paid good money for. Overall, Russian tanks will never be seriously nerfed, German tanks never really buffed and American tanks will remain mediocre.
ReplyDeleteMalinovka isn't bad, I even quite like it. Komarin on the other hang is map i hate so much that when I see it I do mad rush just to die fast and play another map.
ReplyDeleteYour point is painfully proven by the fact that Overlord hasn't even commented on 50+ comments basically asking the same question... will you do anything with obvious poll results like this?
ReplyDeleteMalinovka is a terrible map.
ReplyDelete-Encourages camping with there being slo little cover
-No arty cover at all for team 2 but quite a bit for team 1
-The hill. Ignore the noobs devs. The hill is damn near pointless strategically. A team takes the hill... so what coming off it is just as vulnerable as crossing the mid field is. Make the hill critical by giving hull down positions and cover vs a team not on the hill.
Overlord, could you include the links to the new polls in these poll results posts?
ReplyDeleteWe now have a 55% chance of seeing the Jtiger get a buff!
ReplyDeleteremove malinovka and komarin gg.
ReplyDeleteMalinovka needs more cover and easier ability to go through the town, the swamps, and the far east side depression.
ReplyDeleteThe middle could do with cover and minor depressions to allow fire and advance tactics to prevent the "spawn and stare".
Finally, lower the height of the hill and make the slope more gradual. Give it better cover coming up or down to make it relevant.
Given that camping can be made quite everywhere, this map is pretty often one way sided as many here pointed out. But i like the map setting and changes could make it a good one.
ReplyDeleteWhat i think it's real crap speaking of maps is Westfield...
Malinovka could be improved a little bit without being removed, often it can be a fun map, only sometimes is it dull. Komarin on the other hand should be thrown in the gas chamber
ReplyDeleteI don't get it... Shouldn't the devs aim to always balance the polls for their customers? I mean, isn't that the customer's voice? I don't play TD, but I shoot alot of TD and alot of TDs shoot me. My vote still counts right?
ReplyDeleteDon't remove it just replace it with some new map with a town
ReplyDeleteFirst of all sorry for my bad english:(
ReplyDeleteA weird think is happing today, the map was actally fun to play:)
Like many People before: I think the map is good for lower tiers. It is actually fun to play with a loltraktor and yes in this case nobody use actually the hill or town. So maybe dont remove the totally, just make two new maps: One for lower tiers, with less garde on the hill and houses from the Church to the Town, but the rest can stand how it is. The second map would be for higher tiers. And we should avoid a to massiv camping. So I would say.. that in this map the lake on the left side can be use... It would be a good cover for moving forward against enemy tanks... It would be better then just adding some houses on the field, because people would in the case of the houses on the field just start camping there. And; Yes, make the Town more useble, In the second Map the hill can be like he is, so that higher tier med tanks can do some useful stuff (I for my case go mostly over the Hill). For the swamp: It can stay, I personal think it can be useful for some light tank scounting (like today where a 38na came through and could kill a arty and spot two others).
For the JT. He need really some love. I dont speak just from the gun and armor, the hitbox is ridiculous. The same is with a tank which I actually love: The panther:( He is in reality just a little higher (2.99 metres) than the persing (2.78 meters), but not in game:(... and I dont want start with the ussr tanks...
P.S. Give light tanks some mre jobs then just scouting... I would love to sneak to the swamp with a the german VK2081 or do some other useful stuff. So maybe wait a little with this command tanks... and ask your self what could a light tank doing?....
Malinovka is fine if your team isn't retarded, its komarin that needs to be deleted as quickly as possible.
ReplyDeleteWhat the point of polls if they wont change a thing?
ReplyDeleteI would love to see how they do the statistic analysis to see how flawed is their appoarch.
ReplyDeleteadd a few more bushes and a couple obstacles in center. Maybe old concrete gun emplacements. Add a few more trees in the lower 1/2 of the hill, around the town.
ReplyDeleteI would still like to know if we will ever be able to buy the kv-220 on the NA and EU servers :(
ReplyDeleteMalinovka is not so bad but not so good it depends of the players. BUT Komarin is the ultimate bad unplayable campers paradise map it should need a shift+delete.
ReplyDeletemalinovka- badly needs re-editing. Komarin- needs to be destroyed ASAP and the maker of this map fired!
ReplyDeleteMalinovka is one of my favorite maps, only thing is could you change the timer on this map from 15 to 30 mins or something, then it would be great (since this map you actually can take your time compared to other maps) :)
ReplyDeleteEverytime i get malinovka, i say here goes 15mins of wasted time, ends up in draw most the time. Delete it i say! Horrid map, Doesn't fit into your fast games motto.
ReplyDeleteThe poll does not reflect the actual performance of these TDs because the actual win rates are here (unofficial EU server stats from the forum):
ReplyDeleteT95: 58.16%
Object 704: 53.43%
Jagdtiger: 49.71/
So the difference in poll results is not about JgdTiger but about T95.
It seems that JagdTiger is underperforming, while T95 needs some thought...
Malinovka...
ReplyDeleteThis map shows perfectly the problem of this game...
70% of the players want to go with their tank directly towards the enemy, they don't need mates, only for blaming them, because of nobody followed them. The only real tactic is atack! And timelimit? If you're not dead or victorious after 5 min, than you're a noob!
MANY players seem to have problem from changing from Quake to WoT.
Thats the same thing, why many players are also angry about german and american tanks, because only the russian ones fit nearly this *rambo* playing stile.
Malinovka is a great Map, of course it's also the Map with my most draws, but I'm much more suprised about this map how many possibilities you have to win there (espec. against rambos...), than I'm bored about standing some times for minutes, with no job...
About the Tier 9 TD's
I LOVE the Object, i hate the JT! I'm going with the other mate that said, that playing the Ferdie is more fun and effective than the JT...
Speed, Armor and firepower is at the Ferdie much more better optimised than in the JT!
In this game is a standing TD (espec. with this camo problems...), with that often high tier arties, a dead TD.
And the JT was initially optimised as a standing TD from you, not that much moving and turning speed, HIGH FIRE RATE, so in this way the JT concept is a totally fail...
You have 2 ways to improve it again...
1. manage the camoproblems
2. reduce firerate and increase damage, OR increase moveability (to make it more equal to Ferdi, or Obj)
If the polls dont reflect the performance of the 3 TD, can you release some internal metrics to show JT performing better? Because its pretty damn bad in comparison in clan databases tracking player performance in each tank.
ReplyDeleteQ: So, what was the point of the Tank Destroyer poll if you don't plan to do anything about it? It is well known that the JagdTiger has some serious flaws that are truly hurting its ability to perform. Now armed with knowledge that the community does not think the JT is performing adequately, will you at least entertain the idea of buffing it?
ReplyDeleteA: Public opinion is important not in terms of adjusting vehicles, but in terms of reconsidering the figures. It makes us think over the stat data once again.
Q: why the hate for malinovka?
ReplyDeleteA: I'm surprised as well. Personally like playing this map. Obviously it's not my favorite one, but still.
Q: So, what was the point of the Tank Destroyer poll if you don't plan to do anything about it?
ReplyDeleteA: The performance gap is not that big to adjust anything. And the poll confirms it.
Q: Overlord, could you include the links to the new polls in these poll results posts?
ReplyDeleteA: See the right side of the page. Right below the search.
Lol! Thanks for telling me where it is. I never saw it because I use small windows and it's off the edge of the page.
ReplyDeleteMalinovka...
ReplyDeleteLove it in Arty,
Hate it in Medium ^^
Overlord said...
ReplyDeleteQ: So, what was the point of the Tank Destroyer poll if you don't plan to do anything about it?
A: The performance gap is not that big to adjust anything. And the poll confirms it.
In other words: "it's just a bit crappier than the 704 and t95...just the way we like it"
wtf lol, now i can see how you guys come to decisions like nerfing the Maus and releasing the E100 with an airgun.
I prefer Malinovka 20 times a day to Komarin once
ReplyDeleteMake changes to Malinovka like you did to Mines (or any other name this map has got in english).
ReplyDeletePut some rocks on the field and put undestroyable buildings in village.
Now many people simply can't play it and I think that with some changes it would give more options of attack.
Overlord:
ReplyDelete"Q: So, what was the point of the Tank Destroyer poll if you don't plan to do anything about it?
A: The performance gap is not that big to adjust anything. And the poll confirms it."
Are you kidding me, right? The poll confirms nothing more or less just that you have to ADJUST!! I really don't understand why do you make polls if you don't even take the results into account. I know that your country has some democracy issues and strong ties to the USSR but if you want happy and satisfied customers you have to listen to them...
When starts the Poll "Does your Support-Tikets for account deletion get ignored respective Wargaming obtains and holds Guinness record by fraud?"?
ReplyDeleteHave people in my clan that have actually sold the JT and is now playing with the ferdi...
ReplyDeleteThey are now loosing less money and doing same damage...
I think theres no more to say...
JT is a crap...
JT needs small buff in speed(max 30 kmh),few points in turning speed,reduction that engine will go to fire to 15%,increase camo value and really redcution in gun dmg.it happens to often.
ReplyDeleteOverlord said...
ReplyDeleteA: The performance gap is not that big to adjust anything. And the poll confirms it.
What shit answer is that?! Are you fucking kidding?
This map is bad as it is now, however it has so much potential, a few more areas for cover near spawn so that people wont get nuked in the beginning of the map, a few rocks or something in the open field, and maybe at least one building in that town. Its def a map that needs to be re visioned. It has potential but as is, it sucks. Overlord I hope you guys are taking these votes (seeing that most people hate this map) and making decisions because of them. Is that what is going on?
ReplyDeletenope, russian players are happy with german tanks sucking, so devs just make a poll for you to bark and yell at, and thats all. Nothing changes, german tanks still sucks, russian kids still happy and europeans can pay, screw themselves and watch a game where CWs russian tank presence is 80%. This says it all.
ReplyDeleteyou sucks too, scrub.
ReplyDeleteQ: What shit answer is that?! Are you fucking kidding?
ReplyDeleteA: I appreciate your manners. Definitely. Polls are not used for balancing, their aim is to survey the public.
Overlord said...
ReplyDeleteA: The performance gap is not that big to adjust anything. And the poll confirms it.
So, are you not going to balance it at all? Does it not deserve a slight buff of some characteristics? If it is not performing as well, as evidence by your stats, and people say it doesn't perform as well... I would think that the JagdTiger would at least deserve some sort of buff.
I don't particularly like the map, but I don't hate it either. It would be nice to deter the camping in higher tiers or add some cover to hide behind on both slopes of the hill (arty can waste you so easily on that hill).
ReplyDeleteEven though the map is not perfect, I still feel that more maps is better than less maps. I would love to see 2 or more maps released each month.
Overlord: The performance gap is not that big to adjust anything. And the poll confirms it.
ReplyDeleteIf the 4% gap between the JgdTiger and 704 isn't enough to merit a nerf, why are you nerfing the Mouse for winning 3% more than the IS7? Or nerfing the patton for winning 2% more than the T-54?
Also, just because the T95 wins more than the 704 right now does not mean the 704 isn't better. The tank is very new -- those who have it so fast are probably above average players, making the stats better than average.
Same for the Jdgtiger. Many people will vote for it because they like the tank/prefer german style, not because they think its better.
Can someone give me the page where theese winning rate overviews of seperate tanks are given?
ReplyDeleteEU server:
ReplyDeletehttp://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/46554-unofficial-eu-server-statistics/
RU server:
http://forum.worldoftanks.ru/index.php?/topic/49846-%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%BE%D1%84%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F-%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0/
I think that this is one of the more balanced maps. When I say that it is "balanced", I refer to the two major play styles; campers and rushers. This map provides avenues for both play styles to coexist. I think it is important to have maps that are balanced in that way. A map that is purely for rushers will alienate the campers and vise versa.
ReplyDeleteKeeping with this same line of thinking, a map should also have conditions that accommodate the use of artillery but doesn't give artillery a god-like advantage. Careful placement of cover in strategic places is all this map needs. A single structure in the open field would make for a strategic objective that would keep things exciting for the campers while the rushers went up the hill.
Now that I mentioned artillery, there are a few maps that are absolutely horrible for artillery and the matchmaker should be set up to filter out artillery on those maps. A city is no place for artillery and no military tactician in their right mind would deploy artillery in a city...they would set it up outside the city and just pound the inhabitants into submission.
Overlord said:
ReplyDeleteA: Public opinion is important not in terms of adjusting vehicles, but in terms of reconsidering the figures. It makes us think over the stat data once again.
August 2, 2011 11:08 AM
Listen, this "may" come as a shock to you, but your data and methods of reason to buff/nerf tanks is heavily-heavily flawed. When you say your data is fine, while the vast majority of players say there's something wrong, there's something wrong, with YOUR DATA.
This is like the T-54 fiasco all over again. The more people the flock to the tank, the more skewed the numbers get. The T-54 IS currently the BEST T9 medium tank, despite what Storm says. It's just that so many people flocked to it, which there are more "lesser-skilled" players in it now with the mentality that it's unstoppable since they saw "good" players reeking havoc with it, they rush out and put themselves in bad situations. When the T-54 is played right, Frankenstein is OP, like it or not.
You guys really need a new method to test out these things.
BTW - Please post when Test Server 3 is up with a link to the download. I want to test out how the changes/nerfs to the E-75 pan out since it was actually competitive with the IS-4.
Thanks!
JT is worst TD i think. I play JT and missing camou + downside hull hard as a piece of butter in sun doesnt let me make a good job.
ReplyDeleteJT as oppenent is many times less fearsome than object or T-95 they´re much harder to pen from front.
JT doesnt worth exp. to grind. Someone who likes german TDs should stop at Ferdi.
I think you should learn to balance tanks earnest and not only balance loved by your russian folks.
ReplyDeleteOnly then you will have a chance that many people outside russia play WOT still at end of the year.
Many people playing with me waiting for balance or a better game. And i promise there will arrive some potential pvp mmo competititors on market the next time.
hm, T-95 have 3 big soft spots, so its easy to deal great damage, its slow, the object have a good soft spot to, so its easy to damage... stop crying and start playing more, skill> all
ReplyDeleteps- E-100 is
I would say plant a forest in the middle of the field in MALINOVKA
ReplyDelete"Poll results do not perfectly reflect the actual performance of the three in full, actually. :)"
ReplyDeleteOf course Towarzyszu :)
JT should have 286 pene while the 150mm+ guns just 276. And the fact that the object 704 and ISU shares the same gun is also ridiculous. T95 and JT needs to research theyre top guns ( wich are still worse then bl-10 ) Its kinda funny when ISU have the more powerfull gun then T9 TD's, and im talking about 286 pene, 750 dmg, suprisingly high rate of fire. Just bounced of S-51... REALY WG?
ReplyDelete"BTW - Please post when Test Server 3 is up with a link to the download. I want to test out how the changes/nerfs to the E-75 pan out since it was actually competitive with the IS-4."
ReplyDeleteWHat Have I miss something... It is the only Tank which performt well. The E-50 is okay... not as good as the T-54 (like the poster before says: In good hands unstopable), but better then the old Panther II. The E100 I dont know where to start is just sad:( really sad and I think nobady will use this tank; except people how love this tank will use it. This is by the way the point of the JT, that the Data of this TD isnt totally f**k up, that their are some players how loves this TD so mch that they spent any effort to make this TD somehow work:(
About the E75 has some a link... if it is true I´m really disappointed WOT. I know is all the invisible hand and the demand that the russians should be better etc... and like everybody in the world they are proud their tanks etc... but I was thinking that this E-Series would be give the german tree a more... arrg I give up.. I already know the answer :(
A: "This tank have their role and their are good in this role and when you cannt play them it is your fault"
I dont know, maybe you guys dont know, Objekt 704 has lower armor than T95, and JT, maybe thats the reason of more Penetration , huh ? :P
ReplyDeleteSo you say that JT has better armor then obj? :DDD dont be silly. JT have armor just on the front and especialy lower hull is rubbish. Obj. can bounce a lot more shells, even on sides it can bounce jeez. Even a KT have stronger hull then JT. Not to mention "firebox in front" like someone said :). And the gun bounces a lot on sloped thanks to small shell. 276 on 128 is not even equal 276 on 155.
ReplyDeleteI can penetrate Objekt 704 with every shot in front, when I play in KT... so, it has weak spot too ;) so, every tank has disadvantages. Good player know where to shoot. But JT has more hp, too. So i think they are balanced yet.
ReplyDelete'A: The performance gap is not that big to adjust anything. And the poll confirms it. '
ReplyDeleteI have to tell you that i dont know if JT is better or worse tha other t9 TDs. But your interpretation of the poll and statistics strikes me as something real strange.
Well. So you think that 4% difference in peformance is not that great when a single player's contribution to his side is about 6-7% of team total, in other words about +- 3-3.5% compared to average...
Also, you think that T95 and Object 704 both getting one and a half times as many votes as the JT is not significant enough, and it confirms your analysis that you got from performance...
What i see is that according to statistics, JT underperforms Object 704 significantly and T95 by miles.
The poll confirms that public opinion also percieves that the JT is the weakest of the three.
I dont know how you can conclude that the difference is not significant. :D
Do you employ a specialist in statistical science? Ask him...
For Malinovka i think the poll miss 2 options
ReplyDelete1) Love it
2) Hate it
3) Don't like it much : Rework it please
4) Like it but rework it in some way please
In my case i pretty much like it, still i would love to see the building being changed some, and perhaps have a couple of bumps in some of the fields added.
Overlord said...
ReplyDeleteQ: What shit answer is that?! Are you fucking kidding?
A: I appreciate your manners. Definitely. Polls are not used for balancing, their aim is to survey the public.
August 2, 2011 4:19 PM
Why don't you Poll and ask how many players are now starting to realize what a joke the whole team with WoT really is. Do what you like with it..fine fine fine...keep your russian players happy, but for the rest of us in the world other options are looking better and better. Keep polishing your biased turd. I for one have wasted enough time on WoT having played from the very beginning of CBT and then giving you all kinds of money for gold for premium..tanks..gold rounds for CW. Figured in over a years time you guys would get it together...you're just obviously getting more arrogant, more disconnected from the players. Just do us all a favor and don't be sharing whatever it is that you're smoking with the good game companies.
On this blog are some good idears.. so I have collect some stuff... I like the map, but think it needs some rework.
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Guys, why r u arguing here? They will obviously not listen. Oerlord told me that a T32 is the best Heavy in its Tier. That's like the ultimate fail.
ReplyDeleteBut why r u blaming the devs? There's absolutely not reason for it.
1. They have their own System or balancing. It may not be perfect but they decided to use it.
2. People post a lot of lies. I would not care for opinions of players who say things like: "E-75 is the first decent German tank." myself. Most "naggings" r just plain wrong. COME ON! There r only a few German tanks that really suck. And onother thing: Do not expect reality, just hope for a good balancing. WoT is not a simulation after all.
2.5 People do not try to present their opinion. They just write angry posts. Nearly nobody tries to show the arguments which created their opinion.
3. Success is the answer. If a lot of people play and pay, who cares about 25 people who r constantly nagging?
I myself would like to see a different methode to messure tank performance. Clanwars with Tier restriction. That should provide a way better understanding of the performance of tanks. After all, Clanwars r becoming the heart of the game. (In my opinion - I'm not taking part in too many, because our Tank Company has to few high tier tanks)
Whoa, when your Russian players are begging US and EU players to speak up louder that you guys are going too far with nerfs on the E-50 and E-75 so maybe Wargaming would listen because "Storm" and the others are just ignoring them, there are some really serious problems you have going on there...
ReplyDeleteI think people are reaching their boiling point when it comes to your ill-ideas of balance. Be prepared to experience a drop in players and income.
Seriously let's talk about your "bias".
The Jagdtiger poll and your response is a dead give away what's going on. People have been complaining for months now about it, and have proven how weak it was compared to the 704 and now the T-95, and you guys just blow them off and ignore them.
The E-75 and E-50 got the nerf bat hard in Test 3, and the E-100 was not improved at all despite glaring issues. But still, your precious IS-4 which you guys basically admitted is overpowered and is getting bumped to T10, is STILL sitting pretty at Tier 9 now since launch, and will continue to sit there dominating for months. Why not rebalance the E-75 come the day when it faces it's new competitor at T9 when the IS4 gets bumped to Tier 10?
The T54 is NOT the worst T9 tank, especially when played by the better players, despite what "Storm" says. We ALL know this. When you use your elementary-novice manner of balancing tanks, overall statistics, of course it's going to cater to you.
Then you have the cherry picked and designed tanks in favor of the russians like the T-54 and IS's. And you tried to use a single source that Storm dug up to try and put the transmission in the front of the E-50 and E-75, though nearly every other document has said the changes to the hull and suspension were to allow rear-transmission layout. Pressure made you revert said change.
Camo value in the game was a "stealth" way to make Russians stronger. Since, surprisingly, the stats you take into consideration directly places all high tier German tanks at a proven and distinct disadvantage.
That's all called BIAS. Maybe you guys just don't understand the word in English properly. The Russian tanks are too powerful, while German tanks are weak and feeble, almost purposely it seems. Or here: "You make Russian tank strong, and you make German tank weak".
@the above post....That statement is absolute, and I couldn't agree more. The cammo values from the Russian version of Wiki World of Tanks were displayed on the U.S. forums about two months ago; however deleted relatively quickly.
ReplyDelete2 questions: 1. Why are cammo ratings COMPLETELY favorable to Russian tanks, and why are the ratings such a secret??
Go to this website to see the incredible camouflage bias towards Russian Tanks:
ReplyDeletehttp://wiki.worldoftanks.ru
Use Google Chrome Browser because it will automatically ask you to translate from Russian to English.
Click on: Fundamentals of mechanics
and let your jaw drop after observing the camo values....
Also: Using win-ratio or balancing issue is a bit flawed. I understand that u have implemented it rom the beginning, but hands down: there r many factors that could screw up the statistics. The biggest is the team. Since players or put most of the time in the middle of the matchup and not as a top tank, they probably do not even count as 1/15 of the team (this is obviously not correct for tier 10 and probably tier 9 tanks) There r other actors like platoon usage (of each tank) and skill. Yes, considering what I learned in statistics in univiersity that should balance out, but u have to consider unusal behaviour as well. There is this myth(YES MYTH) that most o the russian tanks r OP. So probably less skilled players r drawn to these tanks and they mess up your data.
ReplyDeleteI do not know i u r using other data too. So here r two additional ideas:
Puts more stress on the servers: Damage received and damage dealt. This is in my opinion a much more sophisticated way to balance the tanks.
Puts probably to much stress on the servers: Damage dealt to tier x(better: to tank type y in Tier x). U will not need to monitor the reveived damage because u should be able to estimate it via your data.
If u r not monitoring this data already it may be to late to implement it in the code. I was also tought a bit informatics in university and I understand that that kind of changes r extremely difficult if not even impossible (in some cases)
So please think about my clan-war suggestion. If u have Tier limited tank company battles in which u monitor the winning rate and the usage of the tank(this is also very important, but I understand that u do that in random battles already), u will be in the position to keep the game perfectly balanced.
Again: I do not know if u r using any of my suggestions (partly or whole) already. I would like to hear about your balancing methods.
German Tanks are still made of human excrement and oh look at that there's a new game knocking around the corner, its called World of planes...
ReplyDeleteOverlord just got owned, hard.
ReplyDeleteMalinovka is not a problem. KOMARIN is. Even a plane without absolutely nothing would be about 3 times better map than this piece of shit...
ReplyDeleteMore maps like Ensk would be great.
ReplyDeleteThe map is fast-paced, lots of options to play and more importantly, it is small and even while camping, you are useful to the team.
The earlier poster is right on the money. I can't wait to see how crap the german planes are going to be in World of Planes. Spending money and grinding to a ME-262? I will tell you right now that you will be disappointed.
ReplyDeleteOverloard, this is outrageous http://wiki.worldoftanks.ru/%D0%98%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%85%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0
ReplyDeleteIs this why my german tanks have such poor camo values when they are supposed to be snipers!!!!
http://wiki.worldoftanks.com/Battle_Mechanics is what the guy above me linked. Though in Russian it's explained in further detail.
ReplyDeleteI have no idea what he meant by it.
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So, only 4184 people voted.
How many of these actually have the tank(s)?
I agree with the phewer people here.
THe JagdTiger doesn't need a big-ass buff (or non at all),
-People vote by the looks of the tank
-People vote for what the first 20% of the people have told, or vote for what they have heard
(For example: All Russian tanks are OP, alot of people hear this, and just tell it to other people without actually having faced the Russian opponent that matches the tier & class.)
-Not all people know how to play, or how a certain tank -should- behave.
(Some tanks should Snipe, some scout, some 'rush' Now what should a JagdTiger do? People doing the wrong one die and complain.
-I could go on but I'm not going to.
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About Malinovka.
I agree with the people that say: Change the map, don't delete it.
The concept is good.
But needs some fixing.
If you win on this map really depends on the team.
Rushing, not always good.
Camping, not always good.
If too phew rush up the hill, they will die.
If too many rush up the hill, your base is undefended.
If too many camp, they will flank you from the side
If too phew camp, the enemy 'campers' might come to your base, own you and cap.
I would suggest the same as some of the people above did: Replace the swamp, add obsticles (maybe in the middle, maybe more in the swamp part if it's gone)
A must: Put some unbreakable houses down the hill.
One thing I do must say about the fact the starting areas are different: if you try to scout the bush part, you'll scout them slowly and you will die soon.
If you scout the part with the houses, you will scout most of them at the start, you can hide behind the houses or at the side of the houses, Going around the back here is difficult because on the other side is the swamp, and you can still get shot by some of the tanks if you try the other side.
matches the tier & class of the tank they're using*
ReplyDeleteno, it pretty much DOES match the performance. the jtiger is almost useless as its so easy to pen the lower plates and the obj is a royal pain to pen, as the only real way to pen it, as i've noticed, is the very far low glacis plate. the t95 is a friggin moving bunker other than the very small glacis plate and the two cupola's
ReplyDeleteKomarin is THE WORST by far; get rid of that garbage before anything else.
ReplyDeleteWhat needs to happen to Malinovka (which is still better than Komarin) is to make some sort of a barrier between the two starting points, or move the spawn a bit away, it's losing you customers when those that load up at 15:00 or even a few seconds later find out that their tanks are allready being shot at or even allready killed after a fast scout and 15 guns shooting in 5 seconds after start.
ReplyDeleteT95 is difficult to play in random battles unless you're protected by your team. If arty spots you, the T95 simply cannot move fast enough to get out of the kill zone.
ReplyDeleteMaybe it's just bad luck, but my teams nearly always let a scout or medium thru to our base and it's over for the T95.
After eight matches I have two victories, three losses and three draws. I've survived two battles, both draws.
I don't like to play tanks with losing histories, so I pull out the JagdTiger when I want to kill stuff. It has a 60% win rate and I've killed a couple T-95's with it, face to face.
The T95 just takes up a lot of space in the garage these days.
Campinovka needs change,i suggest something like big shells craters and czech hedgehogs (anti-tank obsticals seen on both side of Komarin island),preventing any quick large-scale rush but providing some cover in large craters in middle.
ReplyDeleteRemove bushes around both bases (or just make them smaller).Make hill more sloped,with slightly more higher earth walls on both side with destroyble lumber packs on them.
Make entire map more wooded,especialy hill and swamp.
Also,make it a night map,i am tired (and many others) of daylight maps,not much but it can make it more popular.
Now about the Jagdtiger...
I have Jagdtiger,i have invested a lot of money and patience in it,(rammer,liner,vents,100% crew repairs and camo skill,70% firefighting,and best of all i have it for one and half month (0 days of premium)).Jagdtiger can be beast when u use it right (i relay on its high DPM and accuracy eating T95 and objects for breakfast),but Jagdtiger in 95% of cases can't be used right with its major issues,especialy the lower hull.If u are about historical facts then its lower hull could be buffed,for sacrificing more fragile travrse and engine.I don't think JT is bad TD,but like in reality of WWII it cannot achive its full potential...
Overlord if u are reading this plese re-consider buffing JT,or at least state reasons why not.
Thanks for watching my comment,and sry about crappy english (it's improving with evry post)
miles1991
Camping is not bad when you only have one live a round.
ReplyDeleteBeeing carefull and more carefull is good and whining about others beeing carefull and more carefull is for qq'ing noobs.
Malikova is great and qq about it is poor tactical skill not related to tanks but first person shooters(urban maps are rolflol and have no relation to 40.000 kg of iron carving the roads in a city map)
Not the maps are the problem,the real problem is the random matching cuz u dont know what map u will play.
ReplyDeleteA good idea is that we can choose what map we wanna play.
good ideea
ReplyDeletei would like to see damage instead of kills. also, it would be nice to see premium users...
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